FORUMS FORUMS



  
FORUMS > Wigan Warriors > Recruitment
72 posts in 6 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, DaveO , Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy , Pemps
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach489No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200619 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2015Aug 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



I only tend to come on here every so often nowadays but when I do, my main focus is the rumours section or anything to do with player recruitment.

I personally, am becoming quite concerned with our movement in the market (or relative lack thereof). I follow the RL signings on the internet regularly and there is always news of SL clubs signing players but not much in the way of Wigan.

My concern is that the club is trying to put together a side on the cheap by focusing on young players and forgetting that all the great Wigan teams of the SL era have been supplemented by a healthy dose of imported talent.

We have signed Sam who I appreciate wont have come cheap but even with Sam considered (marquee rule and all) then we must have space on the cap to play with for next year and even though we are competitive with the current squad, anyone who has seen us play this year can see we are lacking in some areas.

Is this a concern of anyone else? I am hoping that this topic has been done to death and I just haven't been here to pick up on it.

Frankly, I will consider it a good end to the season if we make it to the GF as anything can happen once we are there but I am concerned that next season other clubs have recruited better than us.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member32357
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: AncientAndLoyal "I only tend to come on here every so often nowadays but when I do, my main focus is the rumours section or anything to do with player recruitment.

I personally, am becoming quite concerned with our movement in the market (or relative lack thereof). I follow the RL signings on the internet regularly and there is always news of SL clubs signing players but not much in the way of Wigan.

My concern is that the club is trying to put together a side on the cheap by focusing on young players and forgetting that all the great Wigan teams of the SL era have been supplemented by a healthy dose of imported talent.

We have signed Sam who I appreciate wont have come cheap but even with Sam considered (marquee rule and all) then we must have space on the cap to play with for next year and even though we are competitive with the current squad, anyone who has seen us play this year can see we are lacking in some areas.

Is this a concern of anyone else? I am hoping that this topic has been done to death and I just haven't been here to pick up on it.

Frankly, I will consider it a good end to the season if we make it to the GF as anything can happen once we are there but I am concerned that next season other clubs have recruited better than us.'"


Just out of curiosity, and hoping to open the debate up, who do you think has recruited better than us?

RankPostsTeam
International Star3922
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 201213 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Rogues Gallery "Just out of curiosity, and hoping to open the debate up, who do you think has recruited better than us?'"


I'd say Leeds.

For me its not about one club making loads of singings but a number of sides improving their teams. Sandow will be an improvement on Myler, Galloway is an improvement on Peacock, Taylor will improve Les Cats.

RankPostsTeam
International Board Member32357
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200222 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: sergeant pepper "I'd say Leeds.

For me its not about one club making loads of singings but a number of sides improving their teams. Sandow will be an improvement on Myler, Galloway is an improvement on Peacock, Taylor will improve Les Cats.'"


Would you rather have Sandow than Tomkins though? I really don't see Galloway as an improvement on Peacock. Taylor, not sure and Cats are losing Zeb Tia. Leeds are losing Paul Aiton so it'll be interesting to see who they replace him with, he tore Saints apart on Friday and their intensity dropped off alarmingly when he went off injured.

Hull and HKR have brought in even more imports, but at the cost of merging their academies. Would you rather Wigan marge their academy with Leigh or Saints and sign a couple of aging Aussies?

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach5846
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Jul 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Watching Leeds could be interesting.... The influence players like Peacock and Sinfield have is very difficult replace........

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach29773
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200420 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



I just worry when statements are made that we won't be looking at the NRL. We simply can't ignore the NRL if we want to remain up near the top of the league IMO. We don't need to go any further back then 2013 to see that top Wigan sides include good overseas players. In 2013 Pat Richards and Blake Green were huge for us and before that in 2010 guys like Carmont, Leuluai and Riddell were equally as important.

I as much as anyone wants young lads to thrive but not at the expense of success. On the plus side I think we're only a good prop away from having a superb side next year but I look at superleague and I don't see where that prop comes from (realistically). I then look at a player like Keith Galloway signing for Leeds and feel we've missed out. This guy made 180m from 16-17 carries at the weekend. I'd like to know when the last time one of our props even came close to that?

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach489No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 200619 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2015Aug 2015LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



I see what your saying Rogues and maybe it is an over reaction just because Wigan is where my loyalties lie.

But my general perception is that the teams around us seem to be keen on improving their squads no matter where the talent comes from. As for Wigan I get the feeling we would rather play a youngster a year too soon than sign an overseas player who takes up a place for two years and then the youngster would be wasted for that extra year.

I personally think Wire are doing good business with Gidley, Sandow plus the rumours of them being in for Eastmond etc.

I think everyone would agree that ideally this years team would need 1 or 2 signings (in addition to Sam) even before anyone left. However, I think we will probably lose a few and just replace those like for like

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach29773
JoinedServiceReputation
Nov 200420 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Rogues Gallery "Would you rather have Sandow than Tomkins though? I really don't see Galloway as an improvement on Peacock. Taylor, not sure and Cats are losing Zeb Tia. Leeds are losing Paul Aiton so it'll be interesting to see who they replace him with, he tore Saints apart on Friday and their intensity dropped off alarmingly when he went off injured.

Hull and HKR have brought in even more imports, but at the cost of merging their academies. Would you rather Wigan marge their academy with Leigh or Saints and sign a couple of aging Aussies?'"


Is Zeb Taia off? Blow if that's true on top of Whitehead.

We're just a prop short IMO if there's no more major exits. I think Galloway could have been that man. Maybe Sam Tomkins will know of a big, mean, block busting prop we can sign from the Warriors who'd not cost the earth.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach3787No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2020Mar 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Rogues Gallery "Would you rather have Sandow than Tomkins though? I really don't see Galloway as an improvement on Peacock. Taylor, not sure and Cats are losing Zeb Tia. Leeds are losing Paul Aiton so it'll be interesting to see who they replace him with, he tore Saints apart on Friday and their intensity dropped off alarmingly when he went off injured.

Hull and HKR have brought in even more imports, but at the cost of merging their academies. Would you rather Wigan marge their academy with Leigh or Saints and sign a couple of aging Aussies?'"

Sorry Rogues but you're clouding the argument here. Why would we have to merge our academy with anyone? The point is that there are good Aussie options being taken up, in the forwards particularly, by other clubs. It doesn't matter whether Galloway is an improvement on Peacock, he is an improvement on any of our current prop options. Similarly, I'm of the opinion that Taylor would immeasurably strengthen our pack. Now, it may be that we have signings in the pipeline as Nicky Kiss mentioned but, if we don't, I can understand if people start to comment on it at the very least, not least for the fact that, as you yourself say, we are operating under the cap already and will be losing players next year, freeing up even more space. If it transpires that IL spends the cap money augmenting the contracts of our current personnel I for one would be less than ecstatic about it.

RankPostsTeam
International Star3922
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 201213 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Rogues Gallery " Would you rather have Sandow than Tomkins though? I really don't see Galloway as an improvement on Peacock. Taylor, not sure and Cats are losing Zeb Tia. Leeds are losing Paul Aiton so it'll be interesting to see who they replace him with, he tore Saints apart on Friday and their intensity dropped off alarmingly when he went off injured.'"


Tomkins of course.

I think you are missing my point a little.

Sandow isn't Wire's only signing is he. Leeds have brought in Garbut, Galloway and Mullally. Sam might be better than all of them but he's only one guy. The players i've mentioned are all ready made players for the here and now and not for 3/5 years time like the kids we will more than likely be bringing through

Quote: Rogues Gallery "Hull and HKR have brought in even more imports, but at the cost of merging their academies. Would you rather Wigan marge their academy with Leigh or Saints and sign a couple of aging Aussies?'"


Why can't we do both? Why does it have to be one or the other?

I'd personally be happy to run with a smaller squad if it meant injecting a bit more quality in it. For example i would have been happy replacing two from 6 if Tomkins and Galloway replaced Bowen, Burgess, Patrick, Logan, Thornley & Hughes.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach3787No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2020Mar 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: sergeant pepper "Tomkins of course, but i think you are missing the point as those - Sandow isn't Wire's only signing is he. Leeds have brought in Garbut, Galloway and Mullally.

Why can't we do both? Why does it have to be one or the other?

I'd personally be happy to run with a smaller squad if it meant injecting a bit more quality in it. For example i would have been happy replacing two from 6 if Tomkins and Galloway replaced Bowen, Burgess, Patrick, Logan, Thornley & Hughes.'"

I'll return the compliment and say "spot on!". At the beginning of the season I was of the opinion that our depth would be our biggest asset but now I'm not so sure. I know we are kind of criticising things whilst we are sitting pretty in the league but I yearn for quality, like you. It's a reflection of our squad (or perhaps just my view of it) that I view Galloway as "quality".

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach15259No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 200619 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Nov 2024Nov 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: jinkin jimmy "Sorry Rogues but you're clouding the argument here. Why would we have to merge our academy with anyone? The point is that there are good Aussie options being taken up, in the forwards particularly, by other clubs. It doesn't matter whether Galloway is an improvement on Peacock, he is an improvement on any of our current prop options. Similarly, I'm of the opinion that Taylor would immeasurably strengthen our pack. Now, it may be that we have signings in the pipeline as Nicky Kiss mentioned but, if we don't, I can understand if people start to comment on it at the very least, not least for the fact that, as you yourself say, we are operating under the cap already and will be losing players next year, freeing up even more space. If it transpires that IL spends the cap money augmenting the contracts of our current personnel I for one would be less than ecstatic about it.'"


What if that current player was Hampshire?

On one hand we criticise the club for not finding a way to accommodate this talented kid in the first team, and on the other we complain that we aren't signing any Aussie imports (who, by the nature of the beast, will not be among the best in the NRL).

Don't get me wrong ... I'm worried about our recruitment too. I think our props are largely crap, and we are desperately in need of a quality centre.

But if money is being spent on keeping our best young players - in other words, trying to prevent another Burgess situation - I wouldn't be terribly unhappy.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach3787No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Jul 2020Mar 2020LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Cruncher "What if that current player was Hampshire?

On one hand we criticise the club for not finding a way to accommodate this talented kid in the first team, and on the other we complain that we aren't signing any Aussie imports (who, by the nature of the beast, will not be among the best in the NRL).

Don't get me wrong ... I'm worried about our recruitment too. I think our props are largely crap, and we are desperately in need of a quality centre.

But if money is being spent on keeping our best young players - in other words, trying to prevent another Burgess situation - I wouldn't be terribly unhappy.'"

I'd give you Hampshire at a pinch but feel the analogy with Burgess is being too kind to him. However, given those presumably exiting it shouldn't be too difficult to meet his financial demands. Also, I suspect money won't be the primary issue with Hampshire, it will be about first team opportunities which the coach isn't giving him at the moment.

RankPostsTeam
International Star3922
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 201213 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: jinkin jimmy "I'll return the compliment and say "spot on!". At the beginning of the season I was of the opinion that our depth would be our biggest asset but now I'm not so sure. I know we are kind of criticising things whilst we are sitting pretty in the league but I yearn for quality, like you. It's a reflection of our squad (or perhaps just my view of it) that I view Galloway as "quality".'"


I think there's a big difference between quality and quantity. I personally think even with 6 players leaving there's still enough squad players to cover the loss of 4 of them. That to me is a massive indicator of how swelled we appear to be.

Agreed about Galloway but you made a decent point on another thread about all this being relative. When you are comparing him to the quality of props both at our club and in SL in general he is undoubted quality. Galloway like Cuthbertson might not compare to top NRL props but they are easily good enough to make a big impact at Wigan.

RankPostsTeam
International Star3922
JoinedServiceReputation
Jan 201213 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2024Aug 2024LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
TO BE FIXED



Quote: Cruncher "What if that current player was Hampshire?

On one hand we criticise the club for not finding a way to accommodate this talented kid in the first team, and on the other we complain that we aren't signing any Aussie imports (who, by the nature of the beast, will not be among the best in the NRL).

Don't get me wrong ... I'm worried about our recruitment too. I think our props are largely crap, and we are desperately in need of a quality centre.

But if money is being spent on keeping our best young players - in other words, trying to prevent another Burgess situation - I wouldn't be terribly unhappy.'"


Then its simply bad management imo.

If you have a player as talented as Hampshire then you don't bring in someone who is a direct competition for him. Why does it have to be one or the other? You can retain youngsters and at the same time sign decent players.

72 posts in 6 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, DaveO , Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy , Pemps
72 posts in 6 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin, DaveO , Wigan6/Leeds1 Andy , Pemps



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


10.48681640625:10
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
0m
Film game
karetaker
5762
2m
Salford
karetaker
57
4m
Fixtures
Moe Lester
4
5m
2025 Recruitment
Pyrah123
212
20m
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
8s
Fixtures
Moe Lester
4
18s
Ground Improvements
Khlav Kalash
192
19s
Shopping list for 2025
Hullrealist
5587
49s
Salford
karetaker
57
1m
Spirit of the Rhinos
chapylad
6
1m
Transfer Talk V5
ArthurClues
511
1m
Rumours and signings v9
Mark_P1973
28902
1m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
tad rhino
2611
1m
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40802
2m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
63268
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Opening Championship and League One Fixtures for 2025 Released
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Getting a new side to gel
Bullseye
1
TODAY
Fixtures
Moe Lester
4
TODAY
Writers required
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
2025 Fixtures
Jemmo
1
TODAY
2025 Squad
Sadfish
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS