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| Where was all the furore about the Wakefield team not taking the knee today? Carney has quite obviously got a dislike for Israel Folau. The movement is about treating people equally, clearly Carney and co have lost sight of that!!
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| At the risk of being controversial. If i was a player i wouldn't take the knee either. Politics should be kept out of sport. The players are there to play and win games of rugby, not to kneel to the whims of people like the BBC who make this stuff mainstream. On the other hand, i totally understand why players are doing it, but............ the fist in the air is a show of 'Black Power' which to me is a very racist thing to do also but is not picked up on. Keep it out of the game and just get on with it. Plenty of people in this world feel oppressed, me included, but not because i am/not a certain ethnic orientation.
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| Quote: Pie_Eyter "At the risk of being controversial. If i was a player i wouldn't take the knee either. Politics should be kept out of sport. The players are there to play and win games of rugby, not to kneel to the whims of people like the BBC who make this stuff mainstream. On the other hand, i totally understand why players are doing it, but............ the fist in the air is a show of 'Black Power' which to me is a very racist thing to do also but is not picked up on. Keep it out of the game and just get on with it. Plenty of people in this world feel oppressed, me included, but not because i am/not a certain ethnic orientation.'"
Exactly, why do the media and especially the BBC keep showing players showing a clenched fist when it stands for black supremacy which is very racist.
All lives matter, irrespective of colour, race or religion.
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| Agree with everything that has been said, but in the incident last week of Israel Folau he only kneels to his God. Who are we to cast judgement, same with Regan Grace
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| Saying 'all lives matter' (nobody has said otherwise) just shows how ignorant you are.
It's basically a massive sign that says "I'm a moron", similar to the profile picture on twitter that says you voted for the Brexit party.
I'm hoping that the majority of people's comments saying this are out of ignorance rather than genuine malice, but I don't hold much hope.
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| Quote: JWarriors "Saying 'all lives matter' (nobody has said otherwise) just shows how ignorant you are.
It's basically a massive sign that says "I'm a moron", similar to the profile picture on twitter that says you voted for the Brexit party.
I'm hoping that the majority of people's comments saying this are out of ignorance rather than genuine malice, but I don't hold much hope.'"
I fully support the BLM movement but I respect everyone’s opinion as it is a very emotive subject.
Posts like you have made do nothing but create division.
You need to have a word with yourself.
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| Quote: jonh "I fully support the BLM movement but I respect everyone’s opinion as it is a very emotive subject.
Posts like you have made do nothing but create division.
You need to have a word with yourself.'"
He needs to read some history!
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| Quote: JWarriors "Saying 'all lives matter' (nobody has said otherwise) just shows how ignorant you are.
It's basically a massive sign that says "I'm a moron", similar to the profile picture on twitter that says you voted for the Brexit party.
I'm hoping that the majority of people's comments saying this are out of ignorance rather than genuine malice, but I don't hold much hope.'"
Everybody is entitled to express a opinion without being called ignorant and a moran!
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| Quote: Sweaty Betty's "Where was all the furore about the Wakefield team not taking the knee today? Carney has quite obviously got a dislike for Israel Folau. The movement is about treating people equally, clearly Carney and co have lost sight of that!!'"
Thought Leon Pryce on saturdays games put it very nicely when he said “he was disappointed with the press over Falou” to me he was very much put ,
Carney back in his box over the subject.
I don’t have an issue with the BLM movement but fear it’s just “cause of the month” much like last year and plastics..racism needs to be addressed but I’m not sure this is the way forward,but again I’m a middle aged white women so not affected by it.
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| I can't see people kneeling at all once the crowds are let back in, as there would doubtless be a reaction from the terraces. So, there was always going to be a crossover period when some would kneel and some wouldn't. The mistake is when commentators take one side over the other as it is implying that one side is right and the other wrong, when in reality they don't have the first clue why players either kneel or don't. One week on from the Falou incident and Carney and co are already in an awkward position. They showed a distinct lack of foresight and it would be best for all now if they just let these incidents pass without comment.
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| Quote: Cruncher "I can't see people kneeling at all once the crowds are let back in, as there would doubtless be a reaction from the terraces. '"
Would there, why? What sort of reaction?
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| Quote: FearTheVee "Would there, why? What sort of reaction?'"
Some will applaud but judging from some of the trends on Twitter this morning, some will undoubtedly boo.
Before you say it, I know that Twitter isn't the world. On the upside, quite a few of those celebrating Wakey's stance don't really seem to know who Wakefield or Wigan are, so I'd hazard a guess that they're not regular RL fans.
But daily my faith in my fellow men is shaken a little by forays onto Twitter. I would truly hate to see that being replicated at RL matches being played on live TV.
I could be wrong. They may continue to kneel. But anyone anticipating a respectful silence if they do may be demonstrating high optimism.
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| I do not believe for one minute that every player in Cricket, Football and Rugby League wants to do, but do it because they are afraid of being criticised if they do not do it. Either that, or the clubs are under pressure from the ECB, FA, EFL and the RFL that they have to do it.
I only hope that it does not take place when the crowds returned as it could lead to trouble between different factions of supporters who have different political beliefs.
When supporters go to watch games of Football, Rugby and especially Cricket with its large multicultural support, the last thing they want to see at a ground is the left and right wing extremism like we see on the streets of town and city centres.
There is no place for politics in sport!
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| The twitter reaction to Wakefield's players standing has been pretty grim.
Tweets like "all lives matter" followed by the same people saying the migrant boats should be sank.
The thick/racist people of the country essentially see it as "kneeling to blacks", white people handing over 'power' or some sort of Marxist movement (which most people barely understand) when it literally just totals to a symbolic gesture - same as the raised fist salute. Obviously people/players shouldn't feel pressured to do it, and some of the journalist reaction to Folau etc. has been stupid.
Quote: all lives matter "There is no place for politics in sport!'"
How is it only political? There is a ton of racism in sport and we need sportspeople - like Raheem Sterling, John Barnes, Jofra Archer, or whoever else wants to use their platform to teach the racists of their scummery.
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| It is a symbolic gesture, but a very important one. However, my concern is that it's becoming seen as not a means to an end, but a pretence to say look at us, we're all inclusive now. The underlying issue is being lost in tokenism and the unwillingness of too many not to call out ignorant @rses like Trump and Yaxley-Lennon who bleat on like petulant children the second anyone tells them they're wrong.
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