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Tackling Issues
After learning of the devastating extent of the injury to Alex McKinnon in Australia, I wanted to look at the topic of player safety within our sport. Thankfully, this sort of thing is especially rare in Rugby League but over recent years the issue of player safety has, it seems, arose more frequently than in the years preceding. We have seen the illegalisation of the ‘shoulder charge’, ‘cannonball’ and ‘chicken wing’ tackles over the last few seasons, as well a vast increase in the penalisation for ‘tip tackles’ - putting a player in a dangerous position.

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Tackling Issues
After learning of the devastating extent of the injury to Alex McKinnon in Australia, I wanted to look at the topic of player safety within our sport. Thankfully, this sort of thing is especially rare in Rugby League but over recent years the issue of player safety has, it seems, arose more frequently than in the years preceding. We have seen the illegalisation of the ‘shoulder charge’, ‘cannonball’ and ‘chicken wing’ tackles over the last few seasons, as well a vast increase in the penalisation for ‘tip tackles’ - putting a player in a dangerous position.

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Very odd piece, the writer started by saying they are worried by the force in modern day tackles, but went on to suggest something that would only increase the force. By giving defenders more time to get set you allow them to move forward more quickly as they are starting from a strong base. So at a stroke you have increase the acceleration element in f=ma and I don't believe it would stop gang tackles as this not only gives defenders time but allows your team to attempt to dominate the opposing team not only physically but mentally as well

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1) Make the players play the ball with their foot, it's becoming a joke

2) Go back to the five metre rule. We might then see classic ball playing half backs and less of the mindless dummy half scoots.

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the tackle wasn't malicious, but anything like that needs a straight red & meaningful sanction. Then tackling can be tweaked to make it effective without degrading the spectacle of the sport in general.

As soon as the quacks & risk-averse morris-dancers get involved, we may as well pack up & retire to the pub.

If the refs had the bottle to actually enforce the rules ([i15.d-Dangerous throw), then scope for stuff like McKinnon's injury can be lessened (doesn't have to be a "classic" spear-tackle to be illegal).

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What happened to the tacklers? Ive seen the vid however was a penny, yellow card, red card, on report given?

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Quote: theblondebomber "What happened to the tacklers? Ive seen the vid however was a penny, yellow card, red card, on report given?'"

Penalty given and the incident put on report. Last i heard was because of the unfortunate outcome the hearing will be delayed. Not sure the fella who was responsible for it would want to play at the moment anyway.

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Quote: Pemps "Penalty given and the incident put on report. Last i heard was because of the unfortunate outcome the hearing will be delayed. Not sure the fella who was responsible for it would want to play at the moment anyway.'"

I think he played this weekend. Back on topic I must say that the start of the NRL season is the fiercest stuff I've ever watched. It's like normal club games are approaching SOO intensity. I'm not one for rule changes willy nilly and certainly not one of the PC safety first brigade but I think Rogue's ideas of returning to 5m has merit. I can barely believe the collisions I am watching on Premier Sport this season.

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Quote: CyberPieMan "the tackle wasn't malicious, but anything like that needs a straight red & meaningful sanction. Then tackling can be tweaked to make it effective without degrading the spectacle of the sport in general.

As soon as the quacks & risk-averse morris-dancers get involved, we may as well pack up & retire to the pub.

If the refs had the bottle to actually enforce the rules ([i15.d-Dangerous throw), then scope for stuff like McKinnon's injury can be lessened (doesn't have to be a "classic" spear-tackle to be illegal).'"


There are quite a few variables when judging tackles like the one of McKinnon I would imagine. No doubt one argument put forward would be that the player was not in a position where his head or neck were likely to make first contact with the ground until McKinnon ducked his head.

If I'm not mistaken a penalty was given for the incident so the referee did have the bottle to enforce the above rule on this occasion. When it comes to the disciplinary it might be difficult to agree exactly how culpable Jordan McLean is in the tackle. He does lift McKinnon but not in a way that would generally be viewed as dangerous. He didn't lift the player between the legs or bring both legs above the horizontal and the two other players tackling above the waist were perhaps more responsible for the way that McKinnon was pushed downwards.

I think it would be pretty harsh for Jordan McLean to pick up too severe a ban despite the consequences. It wasn't a malicious tackle and other players contributed just as much. It was all three players who had a part to play in the injury.

The injury probably highlights the need to look into when lifting in tackles should or shouldn't be allowed. In many cases lifting in two or three man tackles is generally unnecessary. The ref should be calling held as soon as the player is lifted anyway but teams still lift to slow the play the ball down. Problems can sometimes come with the fact that the players involved might not be certain exactly what the other tackler is doing. A player might be held up by a tackler who has wrapped up the ball and another tackler might come in to lift the attacking players legs to stop him moving. If the original tackler decided to try to bring the player down at the same time then it could lead to a dangerous tackle despite neither player attempting anything malicious.

Some might say that it would be a knee-jerk reaction to start looking into banning something else but the most important thing is that injuries like the one suffered by McKinnon are as rare as possible without removing anything that makes the sport what it is.

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The NRL has been absolutely brutal this year. Massive hit after massive hit. Every game is hugely competitive. Its no wonder we never catch up when the intensity is like that every week. Cant get enough, im watching pretty much every match each week and have more interest in that than Super League with the exception of Wigan games.

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Quote: Cherry.Pie ".....the referee did have the bottle to enforce the above rule on this occasion. ....'"

Agree with the rest of your post, & I wasn't decrying the ref in this case. What I meant was that potentially dangerous throws aren't being clamped down on, or "on-report" is used all too often which simply allows the ref to abrogate responsibility & nothing really gets done. If the rules we have were applied more rigorously , it might force the tackling coaches to look again at how things are done to be more efficient instead of simply thuggish or dishonest.
Allowing the risk management consultants in on the act only leads to stupid decisions like banning shoulder charges: there are ways of making such a contact that isn't dangerous and only the lazy or incompetent player would likely routinely cause problems, which can be solved with either a talking to or a P45.

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I'm all for designing the rules to allow fast play the balls but that needs to be evened out with a 5m defensive line otherwise it just becomes the Higham/Roby/Burrow show.

A 5m set might actually make coaches of all ages actually bring through a halfback and not just a good athlete with a good long pass.

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Quote: Wire Yed "I'm all for designing the rules to allow fast play the balls but that needs to be evened out with a 5m defensive line otherwise it just becomes the Higham/Roby/Burrow show.

A 5m set might actually make coaches of all ages actually bring through a halfback and not just a good athlete with a good long pass.'"

wasn't 5m brought in (back) a couple of years ago for the lower leagues? how did that work? (or did i just dream that somewhere)

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Taken from todays Sydney Morning Herald.



Alex McKinnon wakes to tragic news

Newcastle Knights forward has been roused from an induced coma and told he may never walk again after an on-field accident. Nine News.


'Jordan McLean will serve a seven-game suspension after he was found guilty of a dangerous throw charge on Newcastle's Alex McKinnon that has left him in hospital with a spinal injury.

A clearly distraught McLean was handed the 725-point suspension on Wednesday night, however the judiciary panel comprising of former players Bob Lindner, Mal Cochrane and Chris McKenna wouldn't provide a breakdown of what part the injury to McKinnon played in the suspension.

Given it was referred straight to the judiciary, it's unknown whether McLean was handed a grade one suspension (125 points) with 600 point loading, a grade two suspension (325 points) with a 400 point loading, a grade three suspension (525 points) with a 200 point loading or a grade four suspension (725 points).'

A seven game suspension is probably the last thing on Mclean's mind now as he contemplates the results of his actions.

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7 games is reactionary, the tackle wasn't a bad one, if McKinnon doesn't tuck in, nothing would happen and the tackle is legit and not even looked at. I feel bad for McKinnon and I wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy but poor Jordan has to live with that and all the guilt that comes with it, this just reinforces that it was his fault and piles it on even more. I feel for both of them and the 7 weeks ban is just so the NRL can feel superior and shift any criticism from themselves to Jordan.

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Quote: Wire Yed "7 games is reactionary, the tackle wasn't a bad one, if McKinnon doesn't tuck in, nothing would happen and the tackle is legit and not even looked at. I feel bad for McKinnon and I wouldn't wish it on my worse enemy but poor Jordan has to live with that and all the guilt that comes with it, this just reinforces that it was his fault and piles it on even more. I feel for both of them and the 7 weeks ban is just so the NRL can feel superior and shift any criticism from themselves to Jordan.'"


Did the NRL pick him up ilegally, and drop him on his head? I'm sorry but the fact that he ducked is head is irrelevant, he should've never been put in that position in the first place.

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