just read on sporting life he joined leeds to win silverware,sorry tom my old son wrong team the team you should have joined begins with a w and its not the year of the the wolfs in 14.

He's got a better chance at Leeds then Hull or practically any other side in superleague to be fair.

I still don't get why Leeds are carrying an extra frontline back in their squad then they need though. I'd have thought BJB would have left in all honesty.

I can see this thread coming to bite you on the backside Zakooo. Leeds are a good bet for one of the trophies this year

Do they give a trophy out for bad sportsmanship or whining about how sir kev should be given a sainthood.

Not to mention the one for back stabbing chairman of the year? Surely Leeds must have a chance for them

I've seen some embarrassing threads on here but this is right up there with the best of them. Have the last 8/9 years completely passed some posters by?

8 Kylie Leuluai
9 Paul Aiton
10 Jamie Peacock
11 Jamie Jones-Buchanan
12 Carl Ablett
13 Kevin Sinfield

With Delaney, Kirke and Bailey in reserve.

Plenty of miles on the clock, but not much improvement on last season here.

You missed off half the team (the half filled with some of the best players in the league to be exact). How people can so brazenly write off a team that won 5 of the last 7 grand finals and just signed one of the best wingers in the league is beyond me. No wonder our fans are known for being arrogant!

Writing us off already?!

Oh dear....

No I just listed the forwards, those who win titles.

Didn't your halfbacks win MOM in both finals last year?
And Tomkins and Richards both recent Man of Steels???

Hmmm......

I disagree. Leeds will be nowhere.

Do I really have to spell it out? The matches were won in the forwards. Smith and Green did a great job of capitalising on this.
There are some touchy people on here, let me reiterate I have not bagged the Leeds forwards, just pointed out their average age and questioned whether they have any improvement in them from last year.

Not bad. A couple of things though.....Sinfield hasn't played 13 for years. Can't see Kylie playing all that often this year. Delaney will be a starter if fit, and you've missed out Singleton and Ward, who should both feature heavily.

Oh and our back line isn't too shabby.

God knows where we will finish this year, but its a bit early to be writing us off just yet.

Good luck for the season!

Not touchy at all, just debating a point. You've gotten all touchy when people have questioned it which they're allowed to do.

Forwards lay a platform for the backs, one without the other and any team is going to struggle to win titles.

Forwards don't win titles,
Backs don't win titles,
Both together win titles.

As for Leeds' forwards. Peacock sounds fresh and ready to go and feeling the benefit of another full pre-season. Sinfield won't be loose. Ablett I think could have a big year if left to the backrow instead of his almost customary switch to fill in at centre (perhaps more possible with the addition of Briscoe in the backs). Two not mentioned, Singleton (Front Row) and Ward (backrow) are both young and big things to come from them. Liam Sutcliffe too may get some games in the backrow. Bailey as is usual, can be good when he concentrates on playing instead of being villain. Delaney I think is underrated by plenty in the league, he's struggled with injuries but still only 28.

Leuluai I would say is a worry if still starting. If Singleton steps up to start with Peacock then Leuluai can do a decent job off the bench though. JJB just needs less minutes and a spot on the bench maybe.

My starting forwards would be.....

8 - Singleton
9 - Aiton
10 - Peacock
11 - Ward
12 - Delaney
13 - Ablett

14 - Leuluai
15 - Bailey
16 - JJB
17 - Burrow (prefer to see Burrow come off the bench for Aiton but fear it'll be Burrow starting)

Plus Achurch - Big lump of a forward that struggled with injury but looked impressive when he started to get settled.

I do see why a few Wigan fans that think our pack is old and tired, it does look that way to people outside the Leeds bubble. However they are unaware of Ward, Singleton & Achurch who all 3 could be immense this season. If Leeds' veterans stay injury free and McDermott can rotate his squad then Leeds will be difficult to stop due to the back line.