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[quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]IMO, Sculthorpe at his peak was better than Hanley was at his.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="nickmanator":3hoggrzp]billy boston in todays game might pinch a spot bringin the cone on and that bein kind[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="robbierotten":3hoggrzp]Imo Sam Tomkins is a very poor mans Danny Brough he is just a average player getting bigged up by the idiots who comentate on sky.[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Deano G":3hoggrzp]Jonathan Davies, who is his equal in [Super League] today?[/quote:3hoggrzp] [quote="Badwanger":3hoggrzp]Wellens[/quote:3hoggrzp]:7007.jpg



Being charitable to IL (because of what he has done to turn the club around) I am taking his comments on Sky (I don't know if anyone else saw this - about being proud that our best players are leaving the club to play in other sports/competitions and that we shouldn't be negative) as attempting to put on a brave face and rally the troops in the face of the bitter disappointment of losing one of the best players in the world and the greatest British player since Hanley.

The reality is that this is a huge blow for our club and sport. The only potential good news is that England might get a bit more competitive at international level because of the number of players in the NRL, but the international game is so low profile and so poorly marketed in this country that I doubt this will feed back into the domestic game in a significant way.

It would be good to hear IL acknowledge the wider problems of the game and offer some leadership. Instead he has spoken about the SC as a good thing and his comments on the Tomkins saga give the impression of a man who is focussed purely on what is going on at Wigan and us remaining top dogs in RL. I do hope that is not the case.

The game is in a difficult situation and seems to be going backwards. Most clubs can't even afford to pay players 2/3 of their real term wages when the SC began. We can't even find proper sponsorship deals for our sport and the World Cup has had no real publicity and is likely to be a failure as a major sporting event. The future is looking grim for RL.

I don't want a future where Wigan remain the leading British RL club but in a semi-pro league similar in status and quality to the French domestic league. That is unfortunately where we are heading in the long term, unless there is radical change. Being the best of a bad bunch is not my vision of Wigan's future but I'm worried IL doesn't see the long term direction of travel in the sport - being the best of a bad bunch is all we are likely to be able to achieve if nothing changes.

We need IL to take up the mantle of leadership in the sport. He is the custodian of the greatest club in the game. It is time for Wigan to lead the rest of RL again and drag the sport kicking and screaming into a better future. I know Ian (and people close to him) read these board and hopefully he will hear this and other calls to action.

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Very Churchillian I must say

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



The thing is, it's not his problem. His job is to keep Wigan challenging for honours and profitable. People should be looking to the RFL to sort things out not club chairmen

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Quote: Deano G "Being charitable to IL (because of what he has done to turn the club around) I am taking his comments on Sky (I don't know if anyone else saw this - about being proud that our best players are leaving the club to play in other sports/competitions and that we shouldn't be negative) as attempting to put on a brave face and rally the troops in the face of the bitter disappointment of losing one of the best players in the world and the greatest British player since Hanley.

Give your head a shake man ! He's a very good player an all that , but greatest since Hanley ! Don't make me laugh.

The reality is that this is a huge blow for our club and sport. The only potential good news is that England might get a bit more competitive at international level because of the number of players in the NRL, but the international game is so low profile and so poorly marketed in this country that I doubt this will feed back into the domestic game in a significant way.

It would be good to hear IL acknowledge the wider problems of the game and offer some leadership. Instead he has spoken about the SC as a good thing and his comments on the Tomkins saga give the impression of a man who is focussed purely on what is going on at Wigan and us remaining top dogs in RL. I do hope that is not the case.

Are you stuck in the late 80's and Early 90's.

The game is in a difficult situation and seems to be going backwards. Most clubs can't even afford to pay players 2/3 of their real term wages when the SC began. We can't even find proper sponsorship deals for our sport and the World Cup has had no real publicity and is likely to be a failure as a major sporting event. The future is looking grim for RL.

I don't want a future where Wigan remain the leading British RL club but in a semi-pro league similar in status and quality to the French domestic league. That is unfortunately where we are heading in the long term, unless there is radical change. Being the best of a bad bunch is not my vision of Wigan's future but I'm worried IL doesn't see the long term direction of travel in the sport - being the best of a bad bunch is all we are likely to be able to achieve if nothing changes.

Remain the top dogs in what league ? You can't seriously be meaning super league.

We need IL to take up the mantle of leadership in the sport. He is the custodian of the greatest club in the game. It is time for Wigan to lead the rest of RL again and drag the sport kicking and screaming into a better future. I know Ian (and people close to him) read these board and hopefully he will hear this and other calls to action.

One of the greatest in the game.

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All this said, there is hope for the sport. RL is a very exciting sport to watch, relatively simple to grasp (compared to RU) and is immensley popular in Aus.

However, in order for it not to dwindle into a semi-professional game, it needs to quickly identify it's target audience and adopt a meaningful marketing plan.

I am not sure the current administration is capable of this.

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Quote: XBrettKennyX "The issue is fundamentally different.

RU has always been the "go to" rugby code and is played on a wider scale internationally and domestically. If you ask 95% of the population about "rugby" they will probably give you an answer the implicitly talks about Union.

So right from the start, RU has an implicit advantage in terms of widespread availability and recognition.

However, until now RL had an advantage over RU (which crippled itself by hanging onto 19th Century tradition). It's players were, by and large, fitter had a more professional attitude to winning and perhaps due to the laws of the game, generally more skillful.

RL could rest on it's laurels, attract the big names from RU (especially those from "poorer" backgrounds who could be attracted by money more readily). It was run by self interested little cliques who's ears went "pop" if they drove far south enough, except maybe once or twice a year when they had their "day out".

RU became professional. Things changed. Admittedly not immediately, it took time for the players to become fitter, more technical and overally just "better". Of course they helped themselves to RL coaches, why wouldn't they? They took the odd player, some worked out, others didn't but it really didn't matter- the professionalism that they took with them rubbed off on the rest of the team.
Many ex RU players returned to the fold. Gibbs, Bateman, Tait, Quinell all went back better players than they were.
The result? RU is now right up there with RL in terms of attitude, fitness and application.

Any RL players that go to RU will now be the cream of the crop. There is no need for them to take "average" players. RU is crippled no more.

Many RL fans don't help the game either. Ridiculous comments like "RU is a toffs game" (go to Bristol or Gloucester and say this, I'm sure you won't have to buy a round all evening), or "They are out to get us" - why would they? RL can nurture any players that fall through the RU net until such time that the RU clubs can buy them.

This myopic anachronistic attitude of some RL fans, is shared by some of the people who run the game. The tail certainly does wag the dog in the form of small Yorkshire clubs.

The CC is slowly strangling the life out of the quality of players in the game. If I had a talented son there is no way in the world I would be steering him to choose RL over RU. Chris Ashton isn't a patch on Josh Charnley, nowhere near as good a winger in either code, yet Ashton is more than likely a millionaire, and Josh (probably!
Absolutely well put!!! What a lot of Wigan fans forget is that Wigan once played RU. My grandfather was just as proud of watching the best RU team - Wigan crown.gif as I do watching IMO the best RL team - Wigan crown.gif icon_smile.gif

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