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| In light of Paul Clough's non-try on Good Friday can anybody explain how Jon Wells can see the lack of the grounding of the ball in his analysis on Sky BUT the video referee couldn't? - is it down to time, technology or a lack of eye sight!!
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| That could have been given as benefit of the doubt. However the Meli try was a diabolical decision. Soliola was on his hands and knees when he played the ball.
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| At the time of watching it i could see there was a hand under the ball, its only shown on 1 angle and thats the only angle what shows the ball but it was looked at once and the other angles where repeatedly looked at. You could tell from cloughs face he hadn't scored. I was expecting to hear more about it from the sky goonies but nothing was mentioned. but hey ho it didn't stop some saints fans moaning about a penalty try.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "That could have been given as benefit of the doubt. However the Meli try was a diabolical decision. Soliola was on his hands and knees when he played the ball.'"
i would agree with you if there wasn't that one angle which clearly showed a hand under the ball. But i guess its swings and round about's hopefully we get a few calls come the back end of the season
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| I noticed that the telling angle - the one from the side of the sticks, showing various hands under the ball was cut short and never shown again.
add this to the Tomkins/Flower knock on/penalty fiasco and one could think that there may have been a conspiracy to make the second half a bit more of a game (and a tv spectacle)?
irrelevant really given the result, but made my blood boil watching it back on sky
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| It seems Jon Wells has this analysis tool to zoom in on footage, I am not sure if the video ref has this resource or not but if they don't it may be useful with decisions like this.
As for the benefit of the doubt rule, personally i think it should go to the defending team, if it is not a try 'it's not a try' is it...
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| Yeah Wells has that 'Super Zoom' feature
Why the video ref can't use that is beyond me
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| "Why the video ref can't use that is beyond me"
He does'nt need it, he's got Cummins in his ear dictating any outcome.
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| Quote: zntyres ""Why the video ref can't use that is beyond me"
He does'nt need it, he's got Cummins in his ear dictating any outcome.'"
Why would the Bradford coach be allowed to dictate the outcome of a try in a Wigan/Saints game?
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "That could have been given as benefit of the doubt. However the Meli try was a diabolical decision. Soliola was on his hands and knees when he played the ball.'"
Wasn't given as benefit of the doubt
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| Quote: yickpie24 "It seems Jon Wells has this analysis tool to zoom in on footage, I am not sure if the video ref has this resource or not but if they don't it may be useful with decisions like this.
As for the benefit of the doubt rule, personally i think it should go to the defending team, if it is not a try 'it's not a try' is it...
Or do it as they do in the NRL, the ref states what he thinks and the video ref has to disprove him. If he cant its what the ref says.
I watched the match after the result because of work and when I watched it at the time I couldn't see where it had been grounded (i dont watch beyond the players interviews as I cant stand the Sky team so missed the John Wells bit). But one bug bear I do have with this decision is that for something that was inconclusive (i personally thought it was benefit of doubt at the time) is that I think it was around a minute for the decision to be given yet for something which is clearly a try or not after the first viewing gets viewed over for a good minute and that is the one angle that proves it was or not.
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| Quote: fatbaztod100 "Or do it as they do in the NRL, the ref states what he thinks and the video ref has to disprove him. If he cant its what the ref says.'"
I love that new rule in the NRL
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| It's a trait I'm beginning to notice with Mr Silverwood, that he lets the game flow for x amount of time, and then becomes nit picky on some things that he's ignored all game. Usually against us as well, he was the same in the Leeds game. I definitely agree that the NRL video ref method is the way to go. Robert Hicks would be knackered though
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| Quote: fatbaztod100 "Or do it as they do in the NRL, the ref states what he thinks and the video ref has to disprove him. If he cant its what the ref says.
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similar to NFL.....video evidence has to be CONCLUSIVE to overturn an on field decision.
Our problem is, refs wont make an on field decision....maybe its time they were forced into making a decision, then have it reviewed? Would also be a good way of keeping track of which refs get it wrong
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| In RU the ref asks something along the lines "Is there any reason why I cannot award the try?" Seems similar to the Aussie way.
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