After fifteen minutes last night most of the team looked exhausted!
Last week was the same.
Both games we saw passes going astray and accurate ones being dropped, is this another sign of tiredness?
The performance v Salford was poor in the extreme compared to how the team and squad have played for the majority of the season. It's was a good job that Salford were as woeful as they were or else it could have been another bad night indeed.
Something has to improve if we are to win the LLS.
A game as last nights and we'll really struggle to beat HKR on their patch. If we failed then it would be down to the last game v Saints at our place and wouldn't they like a win to deny us a top of the league place and LLS!

The team and squad need to rest and to be refreshed if they are to hit form in the last two games and win the Shield.
A lot has been made of the "full on" training sessions, is it these that are taking their toll on the player's energy levels? I can understand "full on" sessions at the start of the season so we are ahead of the opposition, after 28 games though?
We may have Tommy and Stu Fielden back for HKR etc but if anyone thinks they would have improved last night's performance dramatically I would need convincing.

The players have two weeks prior to the next game and they need to up their energy levels, the pack in particular. Following those two last league fixtures then follows the play offs when we could face Catalans, Leeds or Saints.
Does anyone think we could have beaten any of those based on last nights game? Let the team and squad rest with light training perhaps, come back refeshed and I'm sure their form will return along with formerly injured players.

Aye but now we get a week off to put right a few things whilst Leeds and Warrington have to knock the hell out of each other. We also get another break if we win the LLS. I wouldn't panic just yet. I will take playing rubbish now and still winning games then play well at crunch time and still win games.

I'm not sure that tiredness was the cause of all the mistakes in attack - the lads were really flying in defence, quick off the line and hard hitting in the tackles.

We don't. Everyone plays 1st week and if any of the top 4 win their week one game they get week two off.

Said the same thing myself on the way home from the game. If SW manages this time well it could make all the difference. I don't think a couple days off would do any harm anyway at this stage of the season.

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I can't see how they're tired tbh. A lot of had rests throughout the campaign so I don't buy that.

I think a few are rusty and still lack match sharpness like Lima, Hansen, Finch and obviously Richards but if they're tired then they can't be fit enough in the first place IMO.

The week off hopefully may be beneficial but then they've looked alien to each other at points these last two weeks so I'm not convinced it's what they need.

I wonder about all of these "tiredness" thoughts, the team is backed by a team of fitness, nutrition and medical professionals who continually monitor and adjust the regime. Forwards are rotated during games and all players have had some rest during the season. There will be some carrying knocks, but how is that different to the rest of the season?

I heard Phil Gould say this weekend a conditioner told him the modern day Rugby League player could play in 2 games in a day and still play well in both matches, that's more to do with the body being fatigued where as the sloppy play we saw yesterday is more linked to the palyers not being as alert and not executing plays as they should. Wane will have this addressed he needs to if where going to make any impact on the play off's.

personally, i believe that since we guaranteed a top 4 place, the intensity has gone because they are just waiting for the play-offs.
we have done enough to win comfortably and maintain 1st place. however, the fire isnt there because the games dont really need anything other than a bare win.

once the play-offs come, i believe we will see a more up tempo performance

the most important thing for me in the next 2 games is to get match fitness for fielden, tommy and pat. after that, then a return for tuson so that we have as large a squad as possible to pick from.

i would also like to see players dropped who are off key eg mossop to be replaced by fielden, because he was the 4th best prop.
i also think that playing tommy/micky/smith together will give us the extra energy and attacking options.

Is it mental fatigue rather than physical. Lapses in concentration, inability to do the basics correctly. It's mental IMO.

We've two free weeks till our next game. Were I Shaun Wane then I'd be letting the lads have an entire week off, with strict instruction's to not think or do anything Rugby League related in that time.

PS: The Norwegian Fjords are stunning at this time of year if anyone's wondering why my recent absence.

I was concerned in pre season with Wanes 'tough' approach and i was worried when he said we hadn't peaked yet, even though we smashed Leeds at headingley and saints at the ethiad Hopefully we will pick up the pace again, but it will be tough when wane wants us to go full throttle every week.

It's obvious to see we have lost the intensity and ruthlessness we had earlier in the season but the Leeds game goes to show you can't just turn this on like a tap, there's so many different factors in performing with such high intensity. Some Wire fans are very deluded in thinking their team are selecting games to win/turn up in. There isn't a coach in rugby league who won't be telling their players to give it their all every time they step out onto the field.

Wasn't that Tomkins in his post match interview at Headingley?

I really do hope that Fielden makes a successful comeback, but mentioning him in the same breath as the return of Leluai and Pat is rather straw grasping.