They offer nothing to RL as far as I am concerned.

Tonight they have 2 stands open, one for about 100 Hudds fans and the main stand for their own fans and that is about a quarter full tops.

And dont give me the old 'we need them in SL to get national news coverage chestnut.' Todays mail doesnt even mention last nights Stains V Wire !!

Because they are in London basically

I'd ask the same question about Hudds as well.

They are a sad product of the SC with only a few 'home' produced players. Shocking crowds for a heart land club and almost free season tickets.

At least Huddersfield have their on field setup working now.

Both clubs need to do a helluva lot of work off the field.

Quins on it are a shambles, but thats down to the signings and coach.

i hope no neutrals are watching this match. Even the players look bored.

Awful isnt it.

it's taken long enough and even then the core is based around only one Hudds produced player in Crabtree.

Widnes should be in!

Looks like all games between wire, saints and wigan will sell-out this season. We could get some huge crowds with Widnes back in.

Quins are going downhill. If things don't improve, I dont care if they are in London or on the moon, they have to go. Pointless!

I agree, but it is working now, so its irrelevant, but they really need to sort their off the field stuff out.

As for Quins, it needs an ambitious new owner & coach.

doesn't promote the game very well does it, what must supporters of other sports think when one week they see wire and wigan in front of a full house,great game, so they tune into sky to watch more games and this is what they see, a game being played in an empty stadium. i would swap them for widnes any day of the week. i know it's spreading the gospel and all that,but the situation in london seems to be getting worse and does not show our game in a good light.

Barrow before 2 times relegated Widnes

They have 7 of their 17 tonight who are homegrown players. They are in a decent stadium and are more than 30 miles from the nearest SL team.

We all know the criteria.

I was never a believer in the shared identity with Quins RU, it's a shame that at the minute the club seems to be stagnating and turning sour. Hopefully something can be done about it, as I am a strong believer in the fact that we need a club in the London area.

Not a chance. Widnes have got a new stadium way before any of the other teams who have promised them for ages. They have kept their youth set-up going outside of super league which no other team has done. They have better crowds than any other team in the championship. Last time they were in super league they averaged over 6,000 and got tonked pretty much every game. With a few wins they could be another Hull KR. Games against wire, saints and wigan would get huge crowds, maybe even sell-outs.

Widnes are a super league club playing in the wrong league.

I agree with the principle of Barrow and the untapped, true potential of the Cumbria area.

BUT one thing which has always irked me about SL and expansion is I can’t see how it’s supposed to work when many of our heartland clubs who make the base/foundation for SL can’t sort their own grounds, academies or finances out?

Don’t get me wrong I can see why SL needs expansion and I also agree with it as well but you wouldn’t build a house on shaky foundations so why would you expand SL on them?

For me, although it may take a little more time, I’d try to stabilise SL before I’d look at moving it to other areas.

Make the product stronger by;

More home produced players,
Better grounds,
A comp which is at a higher standard,
Improved refereeing
More professional coverage with Sky.

If this means looking a little more inward to places were RL is on a more stable grounding like Widnes etc then maybe that’s the way you have to go?

Time to also get tough on the likes of Cas, Wakey, Salford, Hull KR, Bradford and even Leeds on the state of their grounds.