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Wigan 178 - 64 Leeds
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| No not in the religious sense but in a SuperLeague sense. I remember a time when I use'd to race home from work on a Friday night through rush hour traffic to watch a great game of Rugby, genuinely looking forward to a Leeds Bradford game or a Saints Wire game.
However over the last couple of seasons my appetite for SuperLeague has waned considerably, I always watch Wigan on a Friday night and then used to regularly attend a game on a Sunday somewhere in the West Yorkshire area, however because the way the game has recently been evolving I found myself not bothering at all with a second game on a weekend.
What I want to make clear is that my love for Rugby League has not been altered by the position that Wigan occupy in the table but by the style of Rugby that we and every other side play, I've been lucky enough to see the majority of the NRL this season through Setanta and that made me feel even more glum because it showed just how Rugby League should be played.
So I'm guessing my question is, are there any others out there who are feeling a similar way to myself in regards to questioning the game they once loved?
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| Quote: LovesToSpooge "No not in the religious sense but in a SuperLeague sense. I remember a time when I use'd to race home from work on a Friday night through rush hour traffic to watch a great game of Rugby, genuinely looking forward to a Leeds Bradford game or a Saints Wire game.
However over the last couple of seasons my appetite for SuperLeague has waned considerably, I always watch Wigan on a Friday night and then used to regularly attend a game on a Sunday somewhere in the West Yorkshire area, however because the way the game has recently been evolving I found myself not bothering at all with a second game on a weekend.
What I want to make clear is that my love for Rugby League has not been altered by the position that Wigan occupy in the table but by the style of Rugby that we and every other side play, I've been lucky enough to see the majority of the NRL this season through Setanta and that made me feel even more glum because it showed just how Rugby League should be played.
So I'm guessing my question is, are there any others out there who are feeling a similar way to myself in regards to questioning the game they once loved?'"
Take a look on redvee and you will find you are not alone. I think the game has slowed donw too much this year, and a conservatism in styles of play crept in the 2006 season.
Everything is predictable nowadays and most teams run the same moves.
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| You'll find that a lot on here will agree.
Whilst the game maybe more competitive the playing standard has dropped.
It's been happening for years though.
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| Cue BrettKenny.......
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| Quote: eddiewaringsflatcap "Take a look on redvee and you will find you are not alone. I think the game has slowed donw too much this year, and a conservatism in styles of play crept in the 2006 season.
Everything is predictable nowadays and most teams run the same moves.'"
I don’t mind a much slower game tbf as long as the intensity is there.
The best game I saw this season was the Wigan vs Hull KR game at home (when we lost btw). The game was played in the pouring rain, there were some massive hits and every break was made via either good defence pressuring the opposition or by a good bit of skill.
I used to hate SL in the days when the speed of the game had gone OTT. The constant quick scoots gaining cheap penalties used to infuriate me and it defiantly showed us up at the last WC when it was obvious we have a distinct lack of options for breaking down defences in a slow game.
The NRL used to be a much slower game but it was still better due to the skill factor of it. The same can’t be said of SL sadly
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45658_1356296105.jpg [color=#FF0000:1fnfdzuc]Wigan vs Leeds finals aggregate score.
Wigan 178 - 64 Leeds
Wigan wins - 6 Leeds wins - 0[/color:1fnfdzuc]
I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I am all out of bubblegum.
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| Quote: Wigan Peer "Cue BrettKenny.......'"
Yeah but I'm not talking about the 80's or 90's, I'm referring to the fall in standards over the last 3- 4 years.
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| I don't miss the continuous quick scoots as teams main attacking threat.
I do however wish some of our players particularly dummy half would learn to get the ball out with some pace. For me that's what's lacking at the moment is speed of passing, getting the ball across the field to open up defences - that's the style I'd like to see and that I think the NRL does well.
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| Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "I don't miss the continuous quick scoots as teams main attacking threat.
I do however wish some of our players particularly dummy half would learn to get the ball out with some pace. For me that's what's lacking at the moment is speed of passing, getting the ball across the field to open up defences - that's the style I'd like to see and that I think the NRL does well.'"
Sadly it could take years before we see an improvement since our current crop of top players, such as Burrow, Roby, Pryce, etc have all developed in the "scoot" era. It's interesting to see Smith drop 2 of these for the 4 nations. Perhaps he realises we will need more invention and less dummy half running if we are to make an impact internationally.
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| Quote: jinkin jimmy "Sadly it could take years before we see an improvement since our current crop of top players, such as Burrow, Roby, Pryce, etc have all developed in the "scoot" era. It's interesting to see Smith drop 2 of these for the 4 nations. Perhaps he realises we will need more invention and less dummy half running if we are to make an impact internationally.'"
I really hope so mate, the incumbent crop of hookers/halfbacks have been extremely one dimensional.
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| Quote: jinkin jimmy " Burrow, Roby, Pryce,'"
Burrow aside is it any coincidence that since the game has slowed down this year these are two that have had the biggest drop in performance levels?
Has Burrow really been that bad this season? I know he struggled early on with injuries and form but imo he’s got that extra bit of something to his game compared to the two above.
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| It's tackling in the game that's slowing things down - Every now and again you'll see a big shot which is great, but more and more teams are using certain tackling techniques i.e. wrestling and lying on for longer, grapple tackles etc.
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39110_1363272058.jpg Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league
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Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate
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the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever
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Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go
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Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know
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| Just visit youtube and watch the NRL best tries and none of them would get scored by super league players in the same position. There is not enough skill and the game is not currently quick enough in many areas, the only way our game will appeal to other people is by it being one of the fastest games with something going on all the time.
Super league has gone down hill and It is very disapointing and I am sorry but it is the cap, it holds Leeds, Wigan, Warrington... all teams who spend to the full cap, backwards.
We may have a more even competition but does that make it more exciting?
I remember it being more exciting when you genuinly could not call who was going to win the title as we had 4 teams right at the top!
We need to change the cap, maybe spending a certain percentage of what amount of money you make or something like that. Then clubs would be rewarded for bigger crowds and bigger sales and clubs would be encouraged to invest. Young players would be even more valuble.
The competition and rugby league as a whole in this country is awful, its all down to the RFL and the lack of forward thinking.
IMO the way to sort out RL is to put Maurice high up at the RFL.
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| Quote: Odemwingie "Just visit youtube and watch the NRL best tries and none of them would get scored by super league players in the same position. There is not enough skill and the game is not currently quick enough in many areas, the only way our game will appeal to other people is by it being one of the fastest games with something going on all the time.
Super league has gone down hill and It is very disapointing and I am sorry but it is the cap, it holds Leeds, Wigan, Warrington... all teams who spend to the full cap, backwards.
We may have a more even competition but does that make it more exciting?
I remember it being more exciting when you genuinly could not call who was going to win the title as we had 4 teams right at the top!
We need to change the cap, maybe spending a certain percentage of what amount of money you make or something like that. Then clubs would be rewarded for bigger crowds and bigger sales and clubs would be encouraged to invest. Young players would be even more valuble.
The competition and rugby league as a whole in this country is awful, its all down to the RFL and the lack of forward thinking.
IMO the way to sort out RL is to put Maurice high up at the RFL.'"
To be fair though it was Maurice's baby in the first place
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39110_1363272058.jpg Dropkick Murphy..we actually saw and heard a mass of bouncing and scarf and flag waving to Dale Cavese that drowned out anything we could muster.. It stopped us singing our own celebratory songs, it died out seconds later when we accepted we couldn't be heard over the Wigan lot
Celebrations muted from us, job done from them. Most fans who slag them off are jealous their own club's support is nowhere near that good
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sally cinnamon..Why not discuss Wigan? It's a rugby league message board. Wigan are the most famous brand in rugby league
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Tre Cool..Saints fans are hopeless unless it's a cup final or grand final. Wigan fans are so much more loyal and passionate
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the flying biscuit..Wires havent been massively succesful over the years, but I've spoke to Brian Bevan And he spoke to me and i wouldnt swap that for Wigans History, ever
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Ande..on the TV i could only hear the Wigan fans with about 10 to go
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Saint94..Every team is in your feckin shadow, we all know
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| Quote: Steve Ella's Beard "To be fair though it was Maurice's baby in the first place
The world cup he organised was superb.
He is one of the only people in the game high up with major ambition and the knowledge to achieve this.
Just keep away from the finance side of things and we will be fine.
I also think the RFL should get some tips from Mick Hogan to market games. Our game will not grow anymore from now if we do not fill the stadiums in big games and for internationals!
RL as it stands is going no where and no one seems to care about it! In 20 years time we will be no better off or worse off if we don't do something about it.
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2410.jpg [color=darkred:2d8t03fs][b:2d8t03fs][size=200:2d8t03fs]ANCIENT & LOYAL UPON MY CHEST[/size:2d8t03fs][/b:2d8t03fs][/color:2d8t03fs]
[size=75:2d8t03fs]Ancient and loyal, upon my chest
they are men of wigans best
a team that plaaayed, the wigan way
and won the championship in may
jim sullivan, he was the king
brian mctigue and johnny ring
a team that plaaayed the wigan way
and won the championship in may
when eric ashton was alive
and billy boston by his side
with dave bolton and billy blan
oh what a time to be a fan
in 85, at wem-ber-ly
john ferguson and brett kenny
a team that plaaayed the wigan way
and won the challenge cup in may
in 95 we won them all
tuigamala, faz and paul
a team that played the wigan way
and won the championship in may
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| Its all about the players. If we go back to the turn of the millenium we had this lot running around in their pomp...
Andrew Farrell
Jason Robinson
Kris Radlinski
Paul Sculthorpe
Sean Long
Keiron Cunningham
Iestyn Harris
Robbie Paul
Henry Paul
etc etc. there any superstars anymore
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