Joel needs to really pick it up too many silly plays too many loose carries, thought his brother was awesome today, ran the show without catching the eye.

Joel is a big issue for me, dont think he can at the moment be part of a team capable of winning SL.

It's such a pain in the , he's our best attacking second rower on his day and a decent defender too, just wish he'd pack in the daft penalties. He's right to try and slow the ptb down but needs to be less blatant about it.

Joel has been a liability for a few weeks now and will cost us in a big game, Mossop should really replace him next week but he wont.

A bit of 2nd season syndrome?

He had a great season last year IMO when Lockers was out injured but it has not gone quite to plan this time.

I think his attempt v Cas in the right wing said a lot. He wanted to impress IMO and has not quite realised his success in 2008 didn't come from stuff like that but doing the basics well.

I think as he matures he will be a very, very good player for us but in the meantime who do you think should be part of a SL winning team? Given Flanagan is on the bench the only alternative is Mossop and while I rate him this is one time I'd go with Nobby keeping the same player in the side. We have hardly got a lot of choice.

Dave

He's trying too hard. Should've been dropped weeks ago but it's got to the stage where you can't drop anyone.

Are you saying that because we have no one else or because he is part of a winning team? From my point of view I think it's the former.

Dave

I personally would love him to be dropped next week for Mossop but it won't happen. I expect the same 17 for the remainder of 09.

I didn't notice him do much wrong tonight in all honesty but i suppose it's tough viewing behind the sticks at KR when things are going on down the other end of the field.

I'm a big Joel Tomkins fan but agree maybe he's trying abit too hard at times. I'm sure his form will pick up though and i wouldn't drop him tbh. He's got too much pace and threat about him to leave him out in these big games.

He'll get it right.

I did not rate him last year to be honest too many errors and brain farts. I personally see him as a Danny Sculthorpe of the secondrow.

Me too for the bit in bold. Needs the coach to sort him out for the next game.

Dave

Well I thought he went very well at 13 last year but even it he didn't to compare him to DS is surely rather daft!

Lets be careful here. Trent Barrett didn't look that good in his second season according to some (not me) so give him a break.

Dave

Because we don't have anyone else. He would be on the bench or not playing at all if Bailey was fit.

Why?

Fair enough but it boils down to him or Mossop IMO. Who would you have?

Dave

Mossop should replace him next week, a fresh player with the impact he would make could be the key to our progress.