Four takeaway bits on this/Saints/us from me...

1. Success is cyclical. Their great side (& it was a great side) is undoubtedly at the back end of a cycle. We seem to be at the start of something. That's sport, I'll enjoy it whilst we're on top but I won't gloat too much either - we'll be back there one day (just hopefully not too soon tho)

2. Their decline shows how important having a long term head coach is. I hope that, when our cycle comes to its natural end, Matty Peet is still here. Transitioning well and not having a complete drop-off, is a lot easier when you keep the same coach/manager. Bellamy, Fergie etc are the blueprints for this.

3. I still think that, should Saints get a couple of players back, there's one last big punch in them. The only question is - can Wellens motivate them enough?

4. We need to beat them on Friday. No excuses and for me, it's another acid test for finding out how good of side we are. When the roles were reversed, Saints always made us pay. Let's do the same.

Good post this

Agreed. Some mature posts overall. It’s clear that whilst Wigan fans will naturally enjoy our decline, lots on here realise that a strong SL needs a strong Saints just as it does a strong Wigan, Leeds and a Warrington.

Just 2 years ago I was going into every game against Wigan confident of winning. Now I’m dreading next week and hoping for at least a decent performance and avoiding a heavy defeat.

We know sport is cyclical and our time has come to an end for now but it’s at least refreshing to see some posters on here reacting maturely and not sticking the boot in too much.

I’ve already wrote next week off in my mind. It would take a gargantuan turn around from what we produced in Friday to what we need to even be in a contest with Wigan. We were that bad. I’ll still be there obviously but this is just Cunningham all over again. History is repeating itself and nothing will improve now until a change is made. Wellens has not improved a single facet of our play and he is simply unable to coach and motivate this side in the correct way. It’s only a matter of time and it all comes down to how ruthless McManus is.

Also to the poster I mocked about a month ago for suggesting the League Leaders shield would be a foregone conclusion by the end of July - I apologise. It seems you were bang on.

Fair play to you YG. Not many posters willing to hold their hands up like that

When was the last time Wigan absolutely pumped Saints in a match? The only one that sticks in my mind is the Magic Etihad game, if there's been a more recent one I've forgotten it.

There was the season Ben Barba was at Saints and he packed his bags when he got a NRL deal, Gildart went round him like he was a dustbin, that was probably the last time we never had to break sweat to beat them.
I just hope Saints don't do what Wire did prior to the cup final and play a load of kids, that was horrible for us.

Any of the 9 missing from Friday expected back this week?

As has been pointed out Saints never really get hammered by Wigan but if it’s Fridays team I feel they will.

But the issue is who is responsible for it happening?

It is cyclical Stu but the period of success can be far longer if the correct decisions are made by those in authority at the club. Man Utd under Ferguson and Wigan in the 80’s and 90’s are prime examples. However, in order to extend a period of success the people in charge need to be ruthless.

Seems like Clarke, Hurrell, Knowles and Matautia will be.