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We missed him last night, he is vital to our team performance.

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Quote: jonh "….but we are talking about his strengths. Like I said he even admits himself he wasn’t a great runner of the ball and it was his ability to pick passes that made his career.

It’s the reason he floated around clubs and didn’t get picked up initially due to his lack of athleticism, that’s from the man himself.

When I think of Thurston I certainly don’t remember him as a strike half back.

It’s all about levels I agree though and again my comment was based on the best way to replace Field for the next 8 weeks.

I don’t think Farrimond and Smith is the right call. Rocky is clearly struggling so I think we need to look at other options.

We have gone from commenting on the ability of an 18 year old to making comparisons with Johns, Thurston etc.

Smith and Farrimond at the moment for me doesn’t work, or certainly we lose significant strike threat moving French to 1 if we replace him with Farrimond.'"

We'll have to agree to differ on Thurston. You don't score over a hundred tries by picking a pass. Quoting him saying he wasn't a great runner of the ball is disingenuous. He wasn't a great runner of the ball but he was a good one! You're talking about a player who is one of the game's all time greats. No one is going to be harder on him and his game than himself. Put it this way, if Farrimond reaches Thurston levels of running game I'll be more than happy. I suspect so will Peet and Farrimond himself.

With regards to them playing together I don't disagree that now isn't their time against the top teams. But we don't play top teams all the time. There's no reason not to try them against London (England duty notwithstanding) for example. That said, Cas and London after Friday are now gone and Hull are possibly on the up so I agree it probably won't happen in the immediate future.

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JT scored a lot of tries from close range; how well I remember, "Don't fall for Thurston's dummy!" icon_biggrin.gif What a cracking player he was, and a top guy too.

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Quote: moto748 "JT scored a lot of tries from close range; how well I remember, "Don't fall for Thurston's dummy!"
Correct.

He also averaged less than 6 tries a year actually his try return per year is identical to Deacon’s.

Hardly the stats of a strike half and clearly Deacon wasn’t a strike half but clearly Phuzzy and I have different interpretations of a strike half.

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Quote: jonh "Correct.

He also averaged less than 6 tries a year actually his try return per year is identical to Deacon’s.

Hardly the stats of a strike half and clearly Deacon wasn’t a strike half but clearly Phuzzy and I have different interpretations of a strike half.'"

Hang on a minute Jon! You're being disingenuous again. I never said he was a strike half. I said he had a running game, which he did. Also Deacon scored 85 tries in just shy of 400 games. Thurston scored Scored 109 in a similar amount. Even basic maths tells you that's around 25% more than Deacon and that's before we even get to the fact that he did it in a much, much tougher competition including State of Origin! The comparison should be with Andrew Johns who had a similar strike rate in the same comp, not Deacon who scored far fewer in an easier comp. In fact Jerome Luai who you put forward as a half with a running game has scored 30 tries in 140 games. A try ratio worse than Thurston's! If you're going to be that flexible with the truth I think the discussion has run it's course.

Moto: Thurston scored plenty from distance as well. More importantly, his dummy resulted in a lot of tries that other players scored too icon_wink.gif He didn't have to put the ball over the whitewash himself every time to have a running game. And in any case, scoring short range tries is still a running threat. It certainly isn't organisational play or "picking a pass" as Jon would have you believe.

Edit: I'm just rewatching the 1st SOO from this year and almost all the tries have come from a different player's running threat than the one who put it down over the whitewash.

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Quote: Phuzzy "Hang on a minute Jon! You're being disingenuous again. I never said he was a strike half. I said he had a running game, which he did. Also Deacon scored 85 tries in just shy of 400 games. Thurston scored Scored 109 in a similar amount. Even basic maths tells you that's around 25% more than Deacon and that's before we even get to the fact that he did it in a much, much tougher competition including State of Origin! The comparison should be with Andrew Johns who had a similar strike rate in the same comp, not Deacon who scored far fewer in an easier comp. In fact Jerome Luai who you put forward as a half with a running game has scored 30 tries in 140 games. A try ratio worse than Thurston's! If you're going to be that flexible with the truth I think the discussion has run it's course.

Moto: Thurston scored plenty from distance as well. More importantly, his dummy resulted in a lot of tries that other players scored too
I guess it comes down to the definition of your post maker.

Thurston was a half back much like Deacon (and they have very similar try returns), Smith, Farrimond etc.

French is a pure 5/8th.

We have set our team up to play around a pure 5/8th hence why Rocky got the nod against Cas as he too is suited to the 5/8th role.

If we bring in a second half hack to play in the halves we lose the strike we hand as we don’t have a Tomkins, O’Loughlin, Sculthorpe, Sinfield, Cam Smith type ball playing threat to compliment them.

For the next 8 weeks I personally want to see French at 6 and Smith at 7 as our starting 6 & 7. I don’t like French at 1. I don’t think 2 half backs in the team (Smith and Farrimond) is as effective keeping Smith and French in their roles and exploring other opportunities at 1.

Rocky could have cemented his position in the team for a few months but hasn’t managed to do so, so my preference would be to look at Kerighan (once ban is served) 1 due to his passing game and strike threat whilst bringing Eckersley into the centre.

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