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Quote: The Reaper "Well the thing is they are trying to get players to drop their tackle height, so that there's much less margin for error and it's less likely to hit the head even if they fall. It's no good saying there's nothing he can do, because there absolutely is. He can tackle lower in the first instance. It makes sense as a goal from the RFL, the problem is the MRP is a complete liability and a lottery and isn't working. I understand they're trying to "deter" players from tackling high, but the system of handing out big bans is just stupid. Players aren't doing it on purpose, so deterrence isn't what's needed. You make it against the rules and punishable by a penalty/yellow card/red card on the day and players will stop doing it, but it's going to take time for them to adjust to not do something they've been trained to do for 10 years. The retrospective bans aren't needed at all, they're just ruining the game'"


I understand what they are trying to do but it is not always possible to get it right all the time in split second decision making.

For example, say two players who are both 6ft, defender bends his knees, arches his back and turns into an attacker and therefore say drops his tackle height by 2 foot, if the attacker remains straight the defender will make shoulder contact around the waist, if the attacker suddenly falls to his knees as he is brought down from behind also, he drops his height rapidly by 2 foot and therefore the defenders shoulder is around the head of the attacker.

The defender dramatically lowered his tackle height yet makes contact to the head, how can the defender alter his tackle anymore other than aiming for the knees of the attacker or even readjust in a split second to make contact below the head, it is almost impossible.

Now I am not saying AK had adjusted his height to that degree but he obviously adjusted his height as you can see where his shoulder was, he hit the head of a player almost on his knees so his shoulder had dropped, I am saying that we should have enough technology and video evidence available to 'measure' these adjustments and timing of height changes etc. to see if the player could have made any reasonable adjustments before making contact.

As for the term 'forceful contact' im sorry but if you are going to make a tackle on someone running at you full speed who is potentially 14 stone of pure muscle, if you are not going in hard to counter the attacking player then you are a danger to yourself.

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Quote: nikos "I've got a bit of a persecution complex I know, but I do think, had the incidents happened the other way around, neither would have been carded.

I think it was an attempt to let Wire get some points on the board by putting us down a man, to try and make a contest of it, but the officials had no choice but to be consistent when the second incident occurred.'"


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Well, we are getting into a pickle whoever is to blame. Was Cooper's tackle even a penalty? TBF the VR called for the card so not Kendall's "fault". The Dufty one was a pen as a swinging arm hit the shoulder and ended up head high - a yellow could have been given or not but the occasion meant it was guaranteed.

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What I'm not clear about, and I'd appreciate other posters' thoughts, is was it Kendall or Liam Moore, the VR, who actually made the decisions to card Cooper (and Dufty)? Does the VR overrule the on-field ref?

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Quote: moto748 "What I'm not clear about, and I'd appreciate other posters' thoughts, is was it Kendall or Liam Moore, the VR, who actually made the decisions to card Cooper (and Dufty)? Does the VR overrule the on-field ref?'"


VR can advise the on field ref but it’s the on field who makes the final decision. That’s said, if I were a ref and the Vr with the benefit of replays advised me to send someone off I would do it.

JD said in commentary that he heard the Vr advised for the Cooper yellow, not sure about the other.

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Thanks, that what I thought. As has been mentioned, if the BBC commentators had shut up, we might have been able to hear what Kendall was saying! Certainly Kendall didn't seem to want to do anything initially about Cooper. And then, having carded Cooper, it put a different light on the Dufty situation.

I've been away for the last couple of days and still haven't watched the game back yet. Hoping to get to it shortly.

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