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Quote: NickyKiss "They're getting so much better at spotting the signs of concussion that I can't see how cases will go down regardless of rule changes. I look at the below armpit rules and can see more concussions for defenders hitting knees and hips. I look at all the bans being handed out and can see clubs with smaller squads having to draft in young players who aren't yet ready for mens rugby and that causes it's own problems. The lads on the Wigan Way podcast raised a great point about Harry Smiths tackle. He gets nice and low as they would want but as bodies collide, there will be a natural throwing motion in some cases, so you then can't win either way.

I can see the need for more on field sanctions so we're seen to be cracking down but to punish people on the field and then throw big bans at them for incidents of accidental contacts seems extremely harsh and OTT.'"

More red cards, more young inexperienced players not quite ready for FT professional rugby and as many if not more head injuries isn’t going to be a great result. The rfl and referees really need to talk to the players sooner rather than later. All the talk is negative re disciplinary issues rather than record crowds and increased access to all matches.

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Quote: tugglesf78 "I’ve always enjoyed your posting Cruncher and sadly I am in total agreement.

Games been going to the dogs for about 10 years.

The constant removal of aggression has reached a state whereby it’s now farcical.

We used to pride ourselves on the game being gladiatorial and the ‘toughest sport on two legs’

It’s not that anymore and so many entertainment factors beyond tries being scored have been removed from the sport. It’s become really, really boring at times sadly.

The behaviour of players to simulate and feign injury is a hard watch for me. It’s simply not how men should behave.'"


The big worry I have it what that means at international level (should we actually be allowed by the NRL to play any proper games going forward). There is no doubt the game in this country is being changed in a big way but that isn't the case in the NRL. In my lifetime watching GB/England verses the Aussies and Kiwis, you've been able to say those sides are more skilful than us but you'd never say they're tougher than us and that we couldn't cope with them in an aggressive contest but when we're playing to such different rules, were they have State of Origin and high end league fixtures being played with far more leeway and their players are conditioned to that, we could get absolutely blown away in every facet of the game.

You look at this game on Saturday and more leeway will be given on the contact heights. There will be zero adjustment needed for Penrith but our lads will now be playing under different rules. You could say it's happy days as our lads can now go higher but presumably they've been working on their techniques to avoid that for months on end now and it's as easy as just switching it on and off. As a country we're putting ourselves at a big disadvantage in these type of contests.

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Quote: NickyKiss "The big worry I have it what that means at international level (should we actually be allowed by the NRL to play any proper games going forward). There is no doubt the game in this country is being changed in a big way but that isn't the case in the NRL. In my lifetime watching GB/England verses the Aussies and Kiwis, you've been able to say those sides are more skilful than us but you'd never say they're tougher than us and that we couldn't cope with them in an aggressive contest but when we're playing to such different rules, were they have State of Origin and high end league fixtures being played with far more leeway and their players are conditioned to that, we could get absolutely blown away in every facet of the game.

You look at this game on Saturday and more leeway will be given on the contact heights. There will be zero adjustment needed for Penrith but our lads will now be playing under different rules. You could say it's happy days as our lads can now go higher but presumably they've been working on their techniques to avoid that for months on end now and it's as easy as just switching it on and off. As a country we're putting ourselves at a big disadvantage in these type of contests.'"


The resulting international chaos seems to me to be only one of many things that haven't been considered.

The last minute fudge with the Penrith game is 100% proof of that. But as you say, we won't be able to fudge it in World Cups or Test series that are further down the line, as too much time will then have gone for our players to adapt back to playing the real thing.

So, if 2025 goes ahead as planned, it will certainly be the end of international RL ... at least where British players are concerned, which most likely will have a domino effect on the domestic game, probably in due course at amateur level as well as professional (which will be much sooner).

I hear what people say about trying to reduce head injuries. It's a serious matter. But heavy contact between athletes is a fundamental aspect of rugby league football. There is simply no way round that. No one is supposed to get hurt, but accidents are accidents, and you can't prevent them happening in a sport like this by threatening draconian punishments. The only way to guarantee there'll be no injuries is to ban the game, which is what they are effectively doing ... but only, very mysteriously, in the UK.

If the RFL are insistent on trying to eradicate risk - and it can only be risk to themselves (in other words, to ensure they won't have to pay out big compensation) - the only way forward, as I see it, is to try and establish some kind of legally sound contract for players, whereby they accept a personal risk if they're going to participate. Surely it can't be impossible to do that? There are many other dangerous sports in the world, which involve potential head injuries - NFL, NRL, ice hockey, boxing, MMA - I just don't understand why it's only us who are facing this threat.

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Quote: Cruncher "The resulting international chaos seems to me to be only one of many things that haven't been considered.

The last minute fudge with the Penrith game is 100% proof of that. But as you say, we won't be able to fudge it in World Cups or Test series that are further down the line, as too much time will then have gone for our players to adapt back to playing the real thing.

So, if 2025 goes ahead as planned, it will certainly be the end of international RL ... at least where British players are concerned, which most likely will have a domino effect on the domestic game, probably in due course at amateur level as well as professional (which will be much sooner).

I hear what people say about trying to reduce head injuries. It's a serious matter. But heavy contact between athletes is a fundamental aspect of rugby league football. There is simply no way round that. No one is supposed to get hurt, but accidents are accidents, and you can't prevent them happening in a sport like this by threatening draconian punishments. The only way to guarantee there'll be no injuries is to ban the game, which is what they are effectively doing ... but only, very mysteriously, in the UK.

If the RFL are insistent on trying to eradicate risk - and it can only be risk to themselves (in other words, to ensure they won't have to pay out big compensation) - the only way forward, as I see it, is to try and establish some kind of legally sound contract for players, whereby they accept a personal risk if they're going to participate. Surely it can't be impossible to do that? There are many other dangerous sports in the world, which involve potential head injuries - NFL, NRL, ice hockey, boxing, MMA - I just don't understand why it's only us who are facing this threat.'"


All feels like it comes down to the fact the game is skint. Money can make problems go away in most walks of life.

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Quote: NickyKiss "All feels like it comes down to the fact the game is skint. Money can make problems go away in most walks of life.'"


It's certainly been the root of all disasters in our game, clubs going bust, salary cap, players defecting to Union and the NRL, and now, finally this.

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Quote: Cruncher "The resulting international chaos seems to me to be only one of many things that haven't been considered.

The last minute fudge with the Penrith game is 100% proof of that. But as you say, we won't be able to fudge it in World Cups or Test series that are further down the line, as too much time will then have gone for our players to adapt back to playing the real thing.

So, if 2025 goes ahead as planned, it will certainly be the end of international RL ... at least where British players are concerned, which most likely will have a domino effect on the domestic game, probably in due course at amateur level as well as professional (which will be much sooner).

I hear what people say about trying to reduce head injuries. It's a serious matter. But heavy contact between athletes is a fundamental aspect of rugby league football. There is simply no way round that. No one is supposed to get hurt, but accidents are accidents, and you can't prevent them happening in a sport like this by threatening draconian punishments. The only way to guarantee there'll be no injuries is to ban the game, which is what they are effectively doing ... but only, very mysteriously, in the UK.

If the RFL are insistent on trying to eradicate risk - and it can only be risk to themselves (in other words, to ensure they won't have to pay out big compensation) - the only way forward, as I see it, is to try and establish some kind of legally sound contract for players, whereby they accept a personal risk if they're going to participate. Surely it can't be impossible to do that? There are many other dangerous sports in the world, which involve potential head injuries - NFL, NRL, ice hockey, boxing, MMA - I just don't understand why it's only us who are facing this threat.'"



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