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| I don't think the club needs a reality check but I agree we need to get back that intensity of the Maguire / Wane era and not accepting defeat easily.
The biggest thing we are missing is leadership on the pitch. When the going gets tough we lose all composure and start giving away dumb penalties, dropping off tackles, sloppy offloads, etc.
You can see it coming a mile off, teams get on a roll against us with a quick play the ball and the un-ravelling escalates quickly. Nobody seems to be directing us to slow things down and tighten it up, it's so predictable and horrible to watch.
We need a calm head to guide us and Farrell, Smith, French & co aren't that guy.
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| Quote: BoredWiganer "To be fair (assuming the club reported it correctly), Powell was dropped before the decision was made for him to have the surgery. It was just decided after that it would be the best time for him to have it anyway while he was dropped.
Agree with the rest, not playing Hill at all when we were down to 12 men was criminal.
I am now an advocate of moving French back to the wing. I shared his 2022 tries video on here a couple of weeks ago and he was red hot, scoring some unreal tries from the wing and a ridiculous number to say he missed the first chunk of the season. It would be a shame for Miski and losing his carries would be hard to take, but i think it is a choice that needs to be made for the betterment of the team.
I would be giving Cust one last go at it, it was only a couple of weeks ago Peet was saying that he still had a chance to earn his 1 year option for next year, give him a chance to show how much he want it and make sure he knows that it is now or never. Failing that, i don't think Hampshire let anybody down when he had a run of a few games earlier on in the season and could be an option also.'"
I agree French back on the wing Miski is not time to try him in the forwards could be a good bench spot .
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| All clubs go through periods of transition, but Wigan seem to have been in one for years.
Most posts on here are looking at important, but tactical, issues like on field leadership, playing people out of position, etc, but I think the Strategic side has been largely ignored by the club.
I could be wrong but I haven’t seen much evidence of forward planning, for example we seem to have recruited very poorly, in a piecemeal way, instead of acting on a set of objectives to achieve. I wonder if the coaches, who seem to have been chosen for their easy availability rather than their coaching experience and achievements, have a clear set of performance achievements for individual players, themselves and the team?
Obviously I’ve no inside information on how the club specifically operates but I have my suspicions, based on what I’ve seen.
The positive is that the new owner will hopefully develop a team culture based on proven leadership and performance elements, such as clear planning and making sure everyone knows exactly what is required of them, and what the consequences of failing to comply are. If Mr Danson can deliver that ethos to the organisation, then we might be celebrating after big games instead of hearing coaches praising the team effort after another defeat.
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| After todays easy win no it does not
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| For years we’ve lamented a lack of forward power from our props and direction from hooker and we’ve gone and splashed the cash to resolve that issue. Those signings will undoubtedly improve us in that area and I have confidence our back line can and will take full advantage of the gains from our pack.
French isn’t a 6, he’s not doing awful there by any stretch of the imagination but it isn’t his best position and for me that best position is full back, drifting in and out of play exactly like Field is doing. He’s a good winger but I still don’t think it’s his best position nor is it for me a long term position.
That’s a problem. In essence, we’ve signed 2 players who are incredibly similar for one position. We may well end up having to decide which to keep and which to let go. An impossible choice!
Shorrocks, Powell, Mago, Cust, Isa, Thornley, KPP, Hampshire, Byrne should be leaving, if not this season then the next. With the signings we’ve made and signings yet to be made or announced I do think our squad will be improved exponentially.
The pressure will then really be on for Peet and whilst I don’t think he’s a bad coach and haven’t come anywhere close to believing or thinking he should go, we’ve got to see more consistent performances and our discipline on and off the ball has to be improved from its poor state. Otherwise he may well be added to the leaving list.
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "
Shorrocks, Powell, Mago, Cust, Isa, Thornley, KPP, Hampshire, Byrne should be leaving, if not this season then the next. With the signings we’ve made and signings yet to be made or announced I do think our squad will be improved exponentially.
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agree with most of those
Shorrocks gives us some utility value, so i would retain as a squad player, but then its down to the player if he wants to be playing 1st team week in week out and moves on. He can do a decent job in more than one position (i'm not saying he's great), but can cover in the backs and pack
Byrne IMO, has been battered over the last couple of seasons, starting with Lam and then not really getting a rest when others have been injured or banned. I'd be happy to see how he goes next season with an on paper better pack, and take it from there. I think he has potential but just not kicked on
re your point on French and Field . The fans love them both as they can both do something out of nothing, but equally i think we all think they are better at full back. It will take a brave decision to let one of them go, but it may need to be taken for the betterment of the team dynamic
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