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Quote: Rogues Gallery "It isn't though is it?
What about tackles made, marker tackles, carries etc etc,.

Fans tend to see the spectacular, rather than the workmanlike.

Brian McTigue was one of the best prop forwards I ever saw, but he never ran 100 metres in a game ever.'"



It is not just about metres made, it is more how and where those metres are made and where on the pitch. What is the point of someone like Marshall running the ball back 30 metres say from a kick then the next sets we only gain 10 metres from the forwards, the 30 m gain is of little consequence.

What we need are forwards who can gain metres when it matters and get a quicker play the ball and so quicker distribution from dummy half (areas we really, really struggle in) so the half-backs have some space to work in and can use our backs in a better way other than just as battering rams - we might as well play second rows as centres for all the good they do as anything else.

I do not think it is any co-incidence that when we play Saints, Leeds, Catalan or Warrington that our pack become totally ineffective especially if the ground is a bit heavy. We are so reliant on Field, French and Marshall to get us wins that it is painful.

I get the point about someone like McTigue (and Potter, Case and many others) but someone like that and the ones mentioned where streets ahead of anyone we have now.

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Quote: Wigg'n "I already posted on another thread how our props compare to others in the league in terms of tackles, tackle efficiency and errors and penalties.

They all pale in comparison.

All-round our props do less work than others in the league - a plain fact.'"


Four of the pack in the top twenty tackles made
Four in the pack in the top twenty for marker tackles
Only one in the top twenty for missed tackles
Two from the pack in the top twenty for penalties (problem)
Three in the top twenty for errors made, none of them forwards. (problem)

Sort the last two out and we'll be o.k.

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Some good stats from last night. Not got them all to hand but off the top of my head, Havard ran for 156 metres and Ellis 120. He’s not a forward but Miski ran for 278 metres (inflated with that long run in the second half but still, that’s massive for us). King did another 140 odd as well.

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Kings a work horse, hitting 20 carries and 150m every week, saw him take 2 carries in one set at least once.

5 offloads recorded too.

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Sam Powell - 33m / 5 carries (2 DHR) / 26 tackles / 2 missed
Liam Byrne - 72m / 11 carries / 22 tackles / 1 missed
Willie Isa - 77m / 13 carries / 20 tackles / 1 missed
Liam Farrell - 139m / 17 carries / 33 tackles / 0 missed
Morgan Smithies - 63m / 12 carries / 24 tackles / 4 missed
Mike Cooper - 44m / 5 carries / 13 tackles / 0 missed
Kaide Ellis - 120m / 11 carries / 24 tackles / 2 missed
Ethan Havard - 156m / 21 carries / 29 tackles / 1 missed
Joe Shorrocks - 76m / 13 carries / 23 tackles / 1 missed
Brad O'Neill - 40m / 4 carries (2 DHR) / 25 tackles / 2 missed

Some really impressive numbers from Havard and Ellis down the middle. The numbers probably don't do Byrne justice either given how impressive he was in defence in that first half.

I think it's fair to say it wasn't Farrell's best game yet he makes 139 metres, 33 tackles without missing one. If that's you on an off day you're a bloody good player!

Shorrocks justified his inclusion too. Usually that 3rd middle on the bench produces poor attacking numbers and is generally ineffective but Shorrocks made plenty of carries, was energetic in defence and his work off the ball is massively underestimated.

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Just seen a little pod cast that said our pack made over 300m more than Leigh last night, must be hell of a long time since we've dominated a side like that, those no.s just back up what we all thought on the night about Havard, superb performance, I thought Ellis had done well also, just that he got overshadowed by Havard

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