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I don't really get the criticism of Ellis. From what I've seen this year he's been a very good addition to the side. He's in his mid-20's so still time to improve but based on what he's produced so far I don't think there's much of an issue. He's our 2nd best prop in terms of metres made and tackles made per game (behind Havard in both) and is generally a very consistent performer. His form has dipped a little in the last 3 games but not to a worrying degree.
We're still in the situation where we don't necessarily have stand out props that are among the very best in Super League but we do seem to have a lot of good props at a similar level. If one has a quiet game then another tends to play a little above their level.

For me it's only his very recent form that means Ellis could be dropped, but I don't think Singleton has been that much better and Mago obviously stands out as the one who does considerably less than all our other props. Mago's value comes from his offloading ability and that he's different to all our other middles, but Cooper is a good offloader too and maybe gives that option to drop Mago.

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Maybe Mago wasn't as bad as appeared on the night, 16 carries 122m and 3 errors, personally I thought Bateman had a 'mare, ball seemed to die with him every time and he looked ready to explode at any minute.
He's probably sweating over the disciplinary as well, if we've picked up a suspension from a game like that it'll be a sickener

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Quote: apollosghost "Maybe Mago wasn't as bad as appeared on the night, 16 carries 122m and 3 errors, personally I thought Bateman had a 'mare, ball seemed to die with him every time and he looked ready to explode at any minute.
He's probably sweating over the disciplinary as well, if we've picked up a suspension from a game like that it'll be a sickener'"


I noticed Mago’s stats and they were good in terms of ground made but it was just so frustrating. I’ve never really bagged him until last night. It bordered on disrespectful the way he played that game because it was against kids but you’d rather he did that last night and not in a big game. If he keeps a place for the semi, I hope we just tell him to calm it a bit and firstly concentrate on charging the ball in. You can’t force offloads in tight games and give up possession. We wanted more attacking rugby and it’s fantastic that we’ve got that but there is a balance, especially in big games.

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I thought Mago was good. He does make errors but he also breaks up teams like no one else in our team. He was even stepping last night! The error he repeatedly makes when trying to play the ball too quickly needs eliminating though.

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Quote: Phuzzy "I thought Mago was good. He does make errors but he also breaks up teams like no one else in our team. He was even stepping last night! The error he repeatedly makes when trying to play the ball too quickly needs eliminating though.'"

Mago played 50 mins last night 10 mins in first half and the whole of the second half a big improvement for him

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At the game it felt like Mago made more than 3 errors. I’m torn on him for the semi, he can make a huge difference but needs to speak to KPP and learn when too offload and when to keep hold.

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