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Quote: sergeant pepper "The right team won. The team that brought fans down won. The team that actually contributes positively to this sport won. That's all that matters.

Great win for Peet in his debut season too. There's obviously changes that need to be made to move this team forward, but it's so positive to see us back to winning ways .'"


Agreed. Watched the game back and in the BBC summary at one point Wilkin had to remind his colleagues it is actually about winning and the winners.

All this the best team lost is nonsense. Wigan made plenty of mistakes but despite this Huddersfield never got far enough in front that Wigan scoring once wouldn’t win it because they stuck to plan “a” throughout. Even the missed conversions don’t matter because with three minutes to go they were in front and should have closed the game out. Those missed conversions should not have mattered.

Why didn’t Watson change tactics instead of sticking with the conservative game strategy?
Instead it was a bit like a football team going in front against Man City and then not trying to score again. Maybe the result wasn’t as inevitable as the outcome of that game would be but Hudds and Watson played a part in their own downfall.

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Quote: Egg Chasing "A big issue with the current interpretations of the obstruction rule for me.'"

Definitely. Shouldn't be a penalty in my opinion as it's borderline cheating and we have enough of that creeping into the game.

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Quote: Phuzzy "Definitely. Shouldn't be a penalty in my opinion as it's borderline cheating and we have enough of that creeping into the game.'"


I've not watched the game back, but you regularly see defenders just throw their arms in the air or take a dive rather than even attempt to defend the play and it's, as you say, becoming like borderline cheating.

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Quote: Egg Chasing "I've not watched the game back, but you regularly see defenders just throw their arms in the air or take a dive rather than even attempt to defend the play and it's, as you say, becoming like borderline cheating.'"


It's deffo a penalty
Singleton makes no attempt to go on the inside shoulder of the defender, and the defender (Levi) is no more than a yard away from the defender outside him when contacts made so there's no gap before the Contact.
Penalty all day

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Quote: Phuzzy "I know what you're saying Jukesy and not disagreeing exactly but the Singleton one was a little more than a swan dive to be fair. He literally jumps to impact with Singleton before he ever gets to the swan dive. He could have easily avoided the collision in which case Singleton would have gone through the line and that would have been no penalty, a fact Jiffy picks up in commentary.

Penalty because of the contact but the contact was initiated by the Huddersfield player so a highly 'milked' one at the very least'"


We'll have to agree to disagree
When Singleton goes through he makes no attempt to get inside of Levi (And there is a big gap on Levi's inside to Chris Hill).
Levi could hardly go any further to his right as he was already only a yard away from his outside defender (He has to hold is defensive line until Singleton isn't an option).
It's Singleton's responsibility to avoid that contact, Levi doesn't go out of his way to take Singleton or choose to take him.

You say "He literally jumps to impact with Singleton before he ever gets to the swan dive He could have easily avoided the collision in which case Singleton would have gone through the line and that would have been no penalty, a fact Jiffy picks up in commentary" - But he couldn't avoid the contact as he has to Skip to the right as the play unfolds to pick up the next runner. Singleton's responsibility there once he isn't an option is to get on the inside of Levi and not Hinder his attempt to get across. Singleton is on Levi's outside shoulder and blocks him

Comparisons to the Bibby one are way off
Whoever the Dummy runner is for Hudds comes on the inside of Bibby and Bibby rather than skip on (Which he could have he chose to as there was no one physically there to stop him) decides to initiate contact with the Hudds player on Bibby's inside shoulder.

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Quote: Jukesays "We'll have to agree to disagree
When Singleton goes through he makes no attempt to get inside of Levi (And there is a big gap on Levi's inside to Chris Hill).
Levi could hardly go any further to his right as he was already only a yard away from his outside defender (He has to hold is defensive line until Singleton isn't an option).
It's Singleton's responsibility to avoid that contact, Levi doesn't go out of his way to take Singleton or choose to take him.

You say "He literally jumps to impact with Singleton before he ever gets to the swan dive He could have easily avoided the collision in which case Singleton would have gone through the line and that would have been no penalty, a fact Jiffy picks up in commentary" - But he couldn't avoid the contact as he has to Skip to the right as the play unfolds to pick up the next runner. Singleton's responsibility there once he isn't an option is to get on the inside of Levi and not Hinder his attempt to get across. Singleton is on Levi's outside shoulder and blocks him

Comparisons to the Bibby one are way off
Whoever the Dummy runner is for Hudds comes on the inside of Bibby and Bibby rather than skip on (Which he could have he chose to as there was no one physically there to stop him) decides to initiate contact with the Hudds player on Bibby's inside shoulder.'"

Never disputed the Bibby one. We'll have to (partly) agree to disagree on the other. It's definitely a penalty as I said in the post but it was about as milked as it gets.

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