judging by some of the posters response to defeat on the warrirors fans forum, i dont think they'll be getting an easy ride

this thread is exactly what is needed on the other forum. A reasoned conversation between fans with different views that are respected (and input from other clubs too), not just doom and gloom as some constantly post.

i'm very much with the majority on this thread, disappointing defeat, but not unexpected given that Catalan are one of the 2 best teams in the league at the minute, but also that it is now for Matty Peet to demonstrate his coaching credentials and to show that he can get a reaction / performance out of the team. He cant just change the culture that has been in place for the last couple of years overnight, but we are seeing signs both on and off the pitch that things are moving in the right direction

as you've said, i think the tone should be, we are making progress, things have changed but we still have a way to go to where we want to be and highlight where they see the changes and improvements. The feel of the club is completely different to 6 months ago, so it still needs to be a positive evening and leave fans feeling really good about where the club is going

I don't think the stay over in France was particularly a 'jolly' but if you look at the pictures on the training gallery over there, there is a lot of smiling and laughing faces on the pics, now it could just be unfortunate that the pics just happened to be taken at a particular instant and it may have been really intense, but that coupled with the reports of sight seeing trips and downtime (which I appreciate they have when at home) I wonder if they became complacement in their preperation to the game, when at home most players I suspect would be focussing their attention on the upcoming game and not out on a tour bus.

I think most players had an 'off day' that and the weather conditions turned into us never being able to get a foot hold on the game and once you feel like everything is against you it is hard to get back to a game plan.

Would you rather the club uploads images where they look unhappy, not gelling as a team, on phone to wives/girlfriends missing them, on facetime to new born babies etc?

Sight seeing trips and down-time? Do they have down-time at home? Yes. What is the big deal.

The club have travelled to Catalans enough to make an assessment that to stay out there for the duration was probably better than all of the travelling and disruption.

Like I said it could be just poor timing of the camera shutter but what I want to see in a training session is focus and intent in a players face when running plays etc. not somebody taking a ball in and laughing with his mate in the background laughing with him.

I did says players have down time when at home, but there is a difference, downtime at home will be time spent with family, also preparing themselves mentally for the game at the weekend, time to focus on what they have to do as an individaul to influence the outcome of a game, if they are off on sight seeing trips around France they are not having that time to prepare themselves mentally for what is going to be a really tough game.

I fully understand the reasonings behind staying out there, the travel disruption etc. but I question the itinerary whilst there, too much focus maybe on team bonding etc. and not enough on the task ahead, which in my opinion led to us being to complacent about how tough it was going to be, the players and coaches will know Catalans are a real force, especially at home, but I personally don't think they got the balance right and it showed on the day

How do you know this?

If for example the players are getting downtime on a Friday afternoon ahead of a Saturday game, how do you know X player isn't going sight seeing in the UK?

Can you also share this itinerary that you seem to have please?

Look you know I don't know this for sure, nor do I know their schedule other than what was reported by Wigan themsleves that they had been 'seeing the sights' whilst in France, but do you think the players looked focused and 'up for it' on the day in comparison to all the other games, they have been shaky at times in other games but never have they looked as out of touch with a game as they have against Catalans and I did say 'in my opinion'