I’ll give you HKR, I didn’t see it, so can’t comment but I’ve seen your other three games and the attack functioned as a result of your defence. Grinding the opposition down and picking them off in their 20. It isn’t traditional attacking rugby (that Saints are famed for) by any stretch (maybe at HKR it was try’s from all over the field, 60,70,80 metres, I don’t know).

We’ve had great points differences in the past and been much the same in terms of a style of play. You score your points through your defence IMO and one or two individuals bring a bit of magic. In terms of my post, I’m saying for us to replicate that is pretty much impossible. Saints clearly put so much time and energy in to practicing that, as well as Woolf coming up with his ‘energy saving’ tactics.

Summer is pushing it, he’s probably got a couple on the go already.

He’s great on TV summarising games but horrendous on that podcast. I now only listen to it when it’s Wigan related as him and Mark Flanagan chat irrelevance just to hear the sound of their own voice.

Leave him alone, ignore him. All you're doing is giving him the attention he craves!!

And neither are as bad as the host, which is saying plenty about that guy.

If I could return to a topic discussed upthread: there was much talk of Joe Mills' frustration colouring the views of fans who at that point, had not seen the game themselves. And maybe rightly so. But Joe and Bilko are commentating in real time, they feel the frustration just like the crowd at the stadium do when they see a chance missed. All our views are coloured by the first thing we hear, just like peoples' views on Mago were coloured by NK's mate who thought he looked tired in the NRL.

Not having a pop at you, NK, really!