No it isn't. And it isn't an excuse. It is the two of these things in conjunction. Most people with families are lucky if they get opportunity to do their own thing on more than one or two occasions a month, so it can become a stark choice between going out or going to the Rugby. Friday nights allows to combine both - increasing attendances. It also allows those families that do go as a family to go on Friday night without it impacting upon the rest of their weekend plans.

As warrior winger also says


This is exactly it. For those of us with families and busy lifestyles, it becomes very difficult to lose a whole day of your weekend to Sunday rugby, which is otherwise only a few hours out of your Friday evening. Personally, i will go to only one in every two or three sunday games for this very reason, yet almost all Friday nights. Many are the same, and why our crowds are usually about 2-3k down on a sunday.

The difference in football is that in terms of fans attending games it is predominantly a male (typically 20 - late 30s) dominated sport. There is also the tradition of Saturday afternoons so it is really a standing boys day out/ down the pub day.

I promise, on the condition you don't break any eggs that you chase!

Victim mentality - It's always the same - The people that claim to be not scared of "Telling it like it is" don't actually like others responding with other points of view

You said Salford were laughing at us, Leigh were laughing at us, Hull were laughing at us
We pointed out that they were in no place to laugh at us and you were exaggerating the situation for your own personal reasons

Yip - £20million - If IL has £20million now and it isn't enough then it makes sense that until someone comes in who has more to take control of the club (Not just be in the background like Danson) then we have to cut our cloth accordingly.
So all talk of spending 20million on a stadium etc.etc. is irrelevant especially when IL is having to use around 1/2 million pound a year on average over the last 5/6 years to keep the club running - not bad considering you won't even spend £20

And as for you being the "Majority"
You may very well be right if what you mean is "Moaners" - However if you mean in the majority with regards to YOUR opinions I'll have a small bet that your not. Mainly because your opinions are based on what happened 30 years ago, who was to blame (In your Biased eyes without looking at certain facts) and never about what could be done realistically moving forward to solve the solution. I challenge you to buy a ticket for a game for a start

Honestly mate, I know what you are trying to do and how you can't let it slide but he's absolutely playing you and getting the reaction he wants.

There's a few different opinions on here, some I don't agree with, but they are reasoned and bend to the discussion points. The trolls are the ones that repeat the same points and don't answer the questions put forward.

I agree

And he can "Play Me" as much as he thinks he wants - And I'm only reply when it suits me (Sat on train going to work - Sat on train coming home - Blah Blah blah)

My point is that people do believe these WUM's
They create the negative impression that they want for their own Keyboard Warrior purposes

I know who Wigan supporters are, I see, speak to Dozens of them every week, Hundreds of them over the year when I'm at the match (Home & Away), in the pub, At Cricket matches, Bowling matches etc. etc.

As you say, lots of people have differing opinions and 99/100 there is common ground
Unfortunately the biggest influencers out there are Twitter/Facebook & forums (I think forums are a small but loyal % in the main and the others are far worse, but luckily for me I don't go on there) and I'd wager that less than 50% of the people who regularly criticise the club on those platforms actually go to the games

As I said to Rogues the other day - I'll just point out when people are talking rubbish,I suppose the trouble is with RD and some of his predecessors is that it's easier & quicker to spout rubbish, half truths dressed up as facts than it is to respond with some element of fact based reply.

But so be it

We had a discussion the other day about Squads for 2022/2023 - we may not have agreed but there was logic, understanding etc.
There was conversation on the rumours thread were there is an acceptance that we don't know the full picture and some would want lots more updates whilst others like myself only want it when it's Done so to speak.
What came out of that is exactly my stance on things

There is common ground - But the WUMS drive a negative narrative so consistently to the extreme that it appears when I "Come out of the traps like a Greyhound" that I am a Happy clapper etc when the reality is the extreme of one opinion drives people like me to over compensate the other way.

I think on those replies on other threads I mentioned above I criticised IL/KR numerous times, so I do acknowledge mistakes.
What I won't do is Blame Brexit/Covid and any other negative out there on IL/KR just because it's the "In Thing" to do.

A lot of those people were telling us IL/KR etc. (And Wane 1st time round) were Rubbish/Poor/The devil incarnate for the 10years we were winning, 19.20.21 have just given the ammunition that makes them think they were right for the 10 years before.

Fair enough and I know you got what he was trying to do.

Don't get me started on the FB groups. They make some of RD's opinions look normal.