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Quote: Ruddy Duck "If you look at the present squad, you will see that for most of the season it has had only twenty six players actually playing due to long term injuries to players like French and Field and seasons loans of Hankinson and Roden when normally, the club has a first team squad in the thirties. If you then take into account, other week by week injuries and a more than normal number of suspensions, the club has played all the other clubs home and away and the Magic game even when on some occasions it has struggled to raise a squad of 21 players for a game. Even Clubb, who now plays with only one kidney has given 100% to help out the club in its situation.

Who would be a Coach when week by week, he has never been able to play a regular and consistent squad without positional changes for a full fixture list of 23 games under such difficult circumstances of the past two seasons.

Lam may not be the perfect choice as first team coach in the eyes of supporters, but is he any worse than the proposed favourite to replace him who has neve been a First Team Coach of any club and has been part of the present coaching team appointed by the club as his assistants!

If he is appointed, it would appear to be more about saving even more money rather than getting a well known and successful head coach from either within our own game or down under!

Given the circumstances of the last two season, the players should be applauded for getting the fourth place in the play off's and in with a chance of winning the trophy.

p.s. We only only lost in the final last season because a bad mistake near the end of the game which was hardly the coaches fault.'"


You make some reasonable points but you can't deny that we've been poor all season. We've lost a number of games we should have won, and we've scrawped through others that we should have romped.

Yes, there's been disruption but other teams have had that too, and yet still are firm favourites whenever they play Wigan.

Finishing fourth is flattering to deceive, to be honest. Apart from the odd okay performance like Friday night (and that was still littered with mistakes), we've put on a substandard show all season.

Wigan fans know when they are watching quality rugby. They were brought up on the best. You can't tell them they are seeing good stuff when they aren't.

That buck can only stop with the coach.

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Quote: Pie Eyed "You fail to allow for the fact that in any other business, if an employee is failing to deliver, they can be either sacked or managed out of the business and replaced (depending on the severity) on a 1-to-1 basis.

In rugby (and football), you can't just sack them as you need to pay up their ENTIRE contract and pay for a replacement as well, meaning that you pay double for 1 job.

We didn't sack Nobby to bring in Madge - We waited for his contract to expire and brought Madge in for the start of the following season.

Therefore, your assertion is equally disproved/flawed, although I agree with your main point that Lam is the issue here - Not Lenagan.'"


I'm not sure how this puts us in any kind of disagreement.

But for the record I never said that IL sacked Nobby. Just that he replaced him.

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Quote: Pie Eyed "You fail to allow for the fact that in any other business, if an employee is failing to deliver, they can be either sacked or managed out of the business and replaced (depending on the severity) on a 1-to-1 basis.

In rugby (and football), you can't just sack them as you need to pay up their ENTIRE contract and pay for a replacement as well, meaning that you pay double for 1 job.

We didn't sack Nobby to bring in Madge - We waited for his contract to expire and brought Madge in for the start of the following season.

Therefore, your assertion is equally disproved/flawed, although I agree with your main point that Lam is the issue here - Not Lenagan.'"



Lam may be the problem, but the fact remains that Lenagan has not sacked him either because he is happy with him as the Coach or as you say, if he sacked him, he would have to pay out his full contract plus have the additional cost of a new part season cost of a new contract for his replacement.

In my opinion, seeing that Lenagan is a business man, he has taken the cheapest option of not sacking Lam which is hardly surprising with the present financial state of the club.

The rumour that that a hardly known inexperienced "Coach" in Matty Peet is to be the replacement for Lam is hardly going to give supporters the confidence that things are going to improve on the coaching level of the club.

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Quote: Ruddy Duck "Lam may be the problem, but the fact remains that Lenagan has not sacked him either because he is happy with him as the Coach or as you say, if he sacked him, he would have to pay out his full contract plus have the additional cost of a new part season cost of a new contract for his replacement.

In my opinion, seeing that Lenagan is a business man, he has taken the cheapest option of not sacking Lam which is hardly surprising with the present financial state of the club.

The rumour that that a hardly known inexperienced "Coach" in Matty Peet is to be the replacement for Lam is hardly going to give supporters the confidence that things are going to improve on the coaching level of the club.'"


If Pete does take over, it worries me that Lam didn't get sacked at some point this season and Peet took over.

Why would that be?

1 - IL thinks Lam better man for the job (worries me for next year)
2 - Pete not ready (worries me for next year)

I haven't mentioned financials as the above scenario wouldn't bring any additional costs... Only paying Lam off for his remaining months which IL may refuse to do out of principal?

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Quote: nathan_rugby "If Pete does take over, it worries me that Lam didn't get sacked at some point this season and Peet took over.

Why would that be?

1 - IL thinks Lam better man for the job (worries me for next year)
2 - Pete not ready (worries me for next year)

I haven't mentioned financials as the above scenario wouldn't bring any additional costs... Only paying Lam off for his remaining months which IL may refuse to do out of principal?'"

Other possibilities:

3 - They haven't firmly decided yet (they said they were still going through the process at the fans' forum which wasn't long ago.
4 - They might not want to chuck Peet straight into the deep end having him coach his first SL games at the business end of the season.
5 - They might not want to disrupt the squad late in the season by swapping coaches, especially if Peet wants to make major changes.

I would have pressed the button straight after the Saints game but I can understand reasons why they chose not to.

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Quote: nathan_rugby "If Pete does take over, it worries me that Lam didn't get sacked at some point this season and Peet took over.

Why would that be?

1 - IL thinks Lam better man for the job (worries me for next year)
2 - Pete not ready (worries me for next year)

I haven't mentioned financials as the above scenario wouldn't bring any additional costs... Only paying Lam off for his remaining months which IL may refuse to do out of principal?'"


Lam should have gone after the first season. That in itself would have generous.
The last 3 years have been a complete and utter waste of time.
IL got this badly wrong and it will take years to unravel the mess that has occurred during Lam’s tenure.

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