So who was responsible for over training him then? This is a pretty astonishing admission that our coaching and physios aren’t up to the job.

Quote Jukesays="Jukesays"Which bit of it do you not understand? If its the bit about not streaming it I've said a dozen times I'm 50/50 I can honestly see why people may question it, but I can see, given negotiations/issues the club are currently involved with and have been involved in with a number of other parties they may not want to risk being caught on the hop. I get the argument that they could have done a forum "light" and live streamed it, but I'm sure lots of people, pro abamy the same who are up in arms now would probably call it rubbish and they didn't tell us any detail etc. If they edit it and put it out delayed im sure there will ne complaints about that. Now I expected people having a whinge, but people saying that's them done with the club, being appalled etc somenofnthe language used about thise that went, I could go on. I've spoke to 4/5 mates who couldn't go in last 2 days, none of them Have moaned about not going. Maybe thats not a fair sample, who knows? Maybe 99% of people.are outraged? I suspect the outraged may be the most vocal 10%, but I could be wrong I can honestly say, if I hadn't have gone, or it clashed and I couldnt go I genuinely wouldn't have given it more than 2 seconds thought. Picked up a few snippets here amd there, spoke to people who may have gone etc. But maybe I'm in the minority, I'm not one of those that thinks I need to know everything I don't get outraged about stuff and feel I have to comment on most stuff (ill clarify that, I mean I'm not one-off those on twitter, Facebook commenting or having opinions on stuff all the time). What typing someone put this in out WhatsApp group https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... es-3369420 I think to myself what makes people do that? I don't like Lam as a coach, but I do wonder if people actually think before they say things, do things etx. And the gods honest truth is i don't think so As I said the other day, I thought that people may be understanding more of the issues,problems etc that people have gone through and show a bit of u derstanding But it seems like some people are even more enraged about the tiniest thig etc and perceived wrongdoings theyve "suffered" than they ever were. It'll its about any particular topic you'd have to be more specific.'" Imagine getting stuck in to Lam to that degree I’m his biggest critic on here but I like to think it’s constructive and it’s never personal. I think the world of Lammy the player and Lammy the bloke. The coaching version is sadly not good enough IMO but when I see idiots younger than his playing boots at Wigan, holding banners up calling for his head, that feels sad. I read about Lams press conference today where they asked him about his times at Wigan and they said he filled up and was in tears talking about how he loves it here and he loves the club. I hate questioning a guy like that, I know he hasn’t meant to be a let down as a coach but it’s just turned out that way. I really hope whatever happens now, we can have a good send off for Lammy. He’s a Wigan legend and we can’t forget that.

Quote Jukesays="Jukesays"Which bit of it do you not understand? If its the bit about not streaming it I've said a dozen times I'm 50/50 I can honestly see why people may question it, but I can see, given negotiations/issues the club are currently involved with and have been involved in with a number of other parties they may not want to risk being caught on the hop. I get the argument that they could have done a forum "light" and live streamed it, but I'm sure lots of people, pro abamy the same who are up in arms now would probably call it rubbish and they didn't tell us any detail etc. If they edit it and put it out delayed im sure there will ne complaints about that. Now I expected people having a whinge, but people saying that's them done with the club, being appalled etc somenofnthe language used about thise that went, I could go on. I've spoke to 4/5 mates who couldn't go in last 2 days, none of them Have moaned about not going. Maybe thats not a fair sample, who knows? Maybe 99% of people.are outraged? I suspect the outraged may be the most vocal 10%, but I could be wrong I can honestly say, if I hadn't have gone, or it clashed and I couldnt go I genuinely wouldn't have given it more than 2 seconds thought. Picked up a few snippets here amd there, spoke to people who may have gone etc. But maybe I'm in the minority, I'm not one of those that thinks I need to know everything I don't get outraged about stuff and feel I have to comment on most stuff (ill clarify that, I mean I'm not one-off those on twitter, Facebook commenting or having opinions on stuff all the time). What typing someone put this in out WhatsApp group https://www.wigantoday.net/sport/rugby- ... es-3369420 I think to myself what makes people do that? I don't like Lam as a coach, but I do wonder if people actually think before they say things, do things etx. And the gods honest truth is i don't think so As I said the other day, I thought that people may be understanding more of the issues,problems etc that people have gone through and show a bit of u derstanding But it seems like some people are even more enraged about the tiniest thig etc and perceived wrongdoings theyve "suffered" than they ever were. It'll its about any particular topic you'd have to be more specific.'" Imagine getting stuck in to Lam to that degree I’m his biggest critic on here but I like to think it’s constructive and it’s never personal. I think the world of Lammy the player and Lammy the bloke. The coaching version is sadly not good enough IMO but when I see idiots younger than his playing boots at Wigan, holding banners up calling for his head, that feels sad. I read about Lams press conference today where they asked him about his times at Wigan and they said he filled up and was in tears talking about how he loves it here and he loves the club. I hate questioning a guy like that, I know he hasn’t meant to be a let down as a coach but it’s just turned out that way. I really hope whatever happens now, we can have a good send off for Lammy. He’s a Wigan legend and we can’t forget that.

There’s been far too many poor decisions regarding the playing squad for Rads/IL/head coach not to take blame for the lack of recent success and a poor season that will result in losing a lot of fans. The sum of these decisions cannot be blamed on “bad luck”.

I’m not that bothered about him but the situation around Hankinson seemed bizarre and conflicting messages that seemed like we didn’t know the detail.

Both French and Field arrived as square pegs in round holes with seemingly no real clue where to play them. Luckily French found some great form at FB whilst wearing the 6 shirt after starting on the wing.

Add onto that moving on Davies and Sarginson which seemed rash at the time and even worse now. Both in England squads after leaving.

Signing a 30 year old centre who plays for a relegated club to replace a 25 year old international.

The as mentioned Tony Clubb extension. Signing Clark and Bullock, two of the worst props in the league. Navarette was awful. Tautai



Sammut signing was bizzare.

We’ve won nearly all of the U19s championships in the last 10 years but now have a bunch of slightly above-average youngsters. I can’t pick one that I could safely say will be a regular international in the future. What is going wrong?

Interesting to hear the question about bringing young lads through. It should not be either develop our own or buy in, it should be both. The club has failed to strengthen successfully in too many areas for too long. We have relied on inexperienced players and in so doing have probably retarded their development.
Sadly we really are trying to get back into the top four yet our best rivals seem to be able to pick up quality. Saints manage to bring in players close to their peak whilst we are looking for projects which too often fail.
This has all come back to bite us. Rather than being able to build and recruit over time we are now scrabbling round for enough quality so that we do not miss the cut when the league reduced to ten teams.

Cameo of the Leeds team bringing all the young kids at once under Dean Bell we all know how that finished they all matured together and won trophies galore . When Dean Bell was coach the Leeds fans stayed away in droves because he was picking a young team we all know how that went on to win everything. They got a change of coach the rest is history .

Possibly in a "You are going to be trained hard to remove that blubber" kind of way, and the additional training may have been a contributory factor in doing his hip in. Civil Law is based on a balance of probability and if the club were 51% to blame for training him, whilst he was 49% to blame for letting himself get into a condition that he needed training, he'd win.

The first bit of what you said is pretty much how it was put, that their handling of his preseason and getting him ready pushed it too far.

Agreed. It's OK describing at a fans forum numerous people are involved with identifying players the club signs with IL and Rads having final sign off but how much acknowledgement if any was made of the issues above? Where they trying to share the blame for bad decisions amongst the collective and do they even realise many if not most of the fans think decisions like signing Thornley (again) are a rubbish move? They appear to have a process in place but don't seem to realise it quite often delivers bad results.

Not sure they're too concerned with who fans think we should sign especially given some of the names banded around on here.

Come on Dave

First it was bad when people thought it was IL/KR only signed the players so lets have a go at them
Now because they say there are others in the process its they're deflecting blame so we'll have a go at them.

I'm sure IL would love to go and sign lattrell Mitchell, we haven't got the money and he wouldn't come etc etc

I've said it before, I will blame IL/KR for asking Lam to be there for 1 Yr, then subsequently extending it when the Edwards fiasco hit.
I do blame IL/KR for announcing Edwards without having his name on a contract and all details agreed, especially when they get stick normally for dotting i's and crossing t's and not announcing stuff earlier on most other things.

But the current trend of blaming rhem for everything is poor form.

We have failed do get the best out of virtually every player and every junior over the last 3 years with a lot actually regressing.
I blame Lam for that, but I blame IL/Rads for appointing/sticking with him too long.

We cant change the owners as easy, we need a strong coach and coaching set up that will oversee thigs and get us back on track (Look at the transformation at Saints since Holbrook came in, even with same owners that were getting flak for the previous 6/7 years whilst Wigan were doing so well).

The added complications of covid/less income/other rfl&sl issues make it a poor time to be struggling, but the overwhelming thingbi took away from the evening was that a lot of people are working very hard to get us through it and come out the other end "Relatively" unscathed and in a better position than most.

Details finally here.

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