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One thing we’ll have to do if we play in conditions as bad as that again is to chance our arm and go wide with the ball because we just can’t compete down the middle yet. I could understand us starting g conservatively yesterday but it was obvious after 15 minutes that we couldn’t match their go forward through the middle and when things started to go wrong we should’ve changed how we were playing. Sadly Lam doesn’t seem to have a plan A, let alone a plan B or C.

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Quote: MadDogg "So frustrating as I thought we looked smooth as silk in the first half against Hull. The opposition was very weak and we were gifted countless opportunities but we still looked impressive.

Attitude may have played a part but as I said on the day those conditions are like kryptonite for Wigan. Take away a fast ruck and the threat of French and the other outside backs and we're in trouble, particularly with a pack lacking in size and experience.'"


Put simply as; if French doesn’t play well, we don’t play well. Our over reliance on one player is embarrassing for a club of our stature and recent history. How far we’ve fallen is scandalous.

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We are not in with a chance of winning a GF.

I don’t believe we were before the semi and I don’t now.

You need forwards who can grind it out in the wet to min a GF. We have a pack who can play fast rugby on good tracks but it is nowhere near capable of grinding down a strong opposition pack on a heavy pitch in Autumn conditions.

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There’s no guarantees it will hose it down during the play offs or the Grand Final in fairness and the pitches tend to be heavy in early season, not at the back end of the season but ultimately it matters little. I don’t think we’re good enough under Lam to win on dry nights, wet nights, bowling greens, bogs or whatever else may be thrown at us. We tactically do not look like we have a clue what we’re trying to achieve and the conditions on Saturday only magnified that. We got a couple of good results against Catalans and Hull but those teams are flaky at the best of times.

We’ve got to make the top four first and I don’t think that’s a given at all.

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[quote="Frank Zappa":1sacjrvf]Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.[/quote:1sacjrvf] [quote="The_Enforcer":1sacjrvf]Most idiotic post ever goes to Grimmy..... The way to restart should be an arm wrestle between a designated player from each side.[/quote:1sacjrvf]:



Look at the tries we scored in the 2010 Grand Final. That certainly wasn't 5 drives and a kick stuff. I think we're physically capable of beating anyone in the league on our day bar maybe Saints. Even in those conditions, if we had our best playkicker on the field and weren't down to two subs early (one of which being a halfback) we would have stood a better chance. We were also facing a team playing a pretty flawless game, which won't usually happen.

The bigger concern for me is that we aren't finding a way to peak for these big knockout games the way we did under Maguire and to a lesser extent Wane. I don't know if that's psychological, physical or tactical, and I bloody hope Lam is just saying he doesn't know to the media.

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Quote: Grimmy "Look at the tries we scored in the 2010 Grand Final. That certainly wasn't 5 drives and a kick stuff. I think we're physically capable of beating anyone in the league on our day bar maybe Saints. Even in those conditions, if we had our best playkicker on the field and weren't down to two subs early (one of which being a halfback) we would have stood a better chance. We were also facing a team playing a pretty flawless game, which won't usually happen.

The bigger concern for me is that we aren't finding a way to peak for these big knockout games the way we did under Maguire and to a lesser extent Wane. I don't know if that's psychological, physical or tactical, and I bloody hope Lam is just saying he doesn't know to the media.'"


I firmly believe he doesn’t know. One thing we had under Wane was honesty in every interview, perhaps ironically too honest. There’s not a chance Wane stands there at the end of a mullering and say “I don’t know what went wrong”. There’s not a chance any coach worth his/her salt says that.

This very much feels like our ‘Cunningham’ moment where we have to be brutal and do what’s best for the club and forget about personal allegiances. Adrian Lam IMO will always be a club legend as a player but will easily be forgotten about as coach.

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