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| Quote: Jukesays "You touch on the 82 invincibles
6ft plus wingers
6ft plus centres
Back rowers with the speed of our centres and wingers.
Their fitness/strength etc played a major part in them being light years ahead of us.
It probably took 15/20 years for us to catch up on that.
With regards to individual players then rightly or wrongly Andy Gregory would need to fit in to the game plan and structures far more than he had to in the late 80s early 90s, same for Davies or any individualistic type player.
I'm a liverpool fan, but the games changed so much and is so much faster now and tactically/professionally advanced of the game of the mid 80s that this liverpool team would murder the team (in football) that I idolised.
Peter schmeichel was asked after the 99 champions league win to draw a comparison with the 68 team, he said theyd win 10-0, he was right.
And that's not to decry as I say the players of the past etc, but things move on and decade after decade as another roster said, coaches, players learn from things of the past and implement change to improve. That doesn't mean that the game is a better spectacle, but the better players then could expose the weaknesses of the lesser players/teams far easier then they could today.
Would I like to go back to the game of the 80s/90s early 00s then probably yes, but if we want teams and the game to improve then coaches will implement better structures, better individual coaching plans etc and overall each team will be "Better" so to speak.
Of course Greg/Hanley/Edward's/Davies/offiah/ Schofields of this world were exceptional players, and given all the advances that today's players are blessed to have then yes, they could equally be better than the currently players by the same amount they were back then. But they would have to do it within the constraints of today's methods and the fact that ALL players are coached/trained to that level and have the same advantages.
That has equalised a lot of the natural differences that players have and that back in the day separated a lot of the players..
Back on topic with regards to coaching and "Moves".
I'm not saying modern versions of "some" of the old stuff may be able to be used in certain ways, but to simply suggest that we use the same moves and/or get players of the past to come in and coach today's players to be as good as they were is completely lacking in understanding of today's game. I've sat with coaches st a very high level (and people who know me know how and why) and the detail that goes into today's coaching and game.l plans and structures is unbelievable and way ahead of anything that the Joe average fan like me or pretty much all of us on here would like to acknowledge.
That doesn't me we cant have opinions, but theres a reason those guys are in those positions and were not.'"
Thats what im saying. Youd expect it to but it hasnt. The basic skill level has dropped and players are cloned for 5 drives, the wrestle and tackling.
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| Quote: JonnyBroad "That try should have been disallowed, not because it was off the cuff but because it broke the laws of the game. Very surprised if a man with as much knowledge as you didn’t already know that though.'"
I can’t remember that try, whether it’s down to Christmas Day alcohol consumption or not is up in the air. So for my benefit can you jog my memory? ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg Fans Forum 28.08.08 Fan from Haydock
"I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count"
[quote="The Daddy"]I've got one word for you all......Steve Hanley[/quote]
Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!"
I thanked him and went on my Merry way!
RIVERCAVE DWELLER OF THE YEAR 2015!
"The club used you last night and didn't tell the truth."
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| Quote: Grimmy "Game, set and match.'"
His reply to your reply saying my post doesn't warrant a reply doesn't deserve a reply.
Reason
Any reply to his reply would only be continuing the replies and perpetuating the same debate.
I'll leave everyone to reply with their own replies to decide of it is game set and match or if your replies decide that we need more replies then we could reply some more and it would be kind of a replay which is a reply with the "a" missing.
Anyway
Xmas day Fish fingers was lovely (why change just because its xmas day, its worked for the last 51 weeks)
Santa brought me a new A to Z so I can continue to drive my Model T Ford around the back streets of Wigan
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "I can’t remember that try, whether it’s down to Christmas Day alcohol consumption or not is up in the air. So for my benefit can you jog my memory?
Fages has to retire to the back of the scrum before being involved in play. Not something any issue was made about it at the time, probably because despite all the years he has been involved Stuart Cummings still doesn’t know the rules. They didn’t win sl because of that though they wont it because there structure was far mor solid than anyone else throughout the season. It pains me but you can only give them credit for that. We will be back with a bounce this year and ready for them.
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3076_1671446335.jpg SAINTS THE ORIGINAL AND PERENNIAL CHEATS
For sale full Saints kit (circa 1989). Shirts in pristine condition, but shorts badly soiled.
For 27 - 0 you get a trophy
For 75 - 0 you get sod all.
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| Best set move EVER.
Attacking scrum 25 yards from opposition try line, 20 yards in from right hand touchline
Scrum half passes ball to stand off (David Bolton) and he passes it on to right centre (Eric Ashton) then goes around Ashton to take the return pass.
Opposition chase Bolton, BUT Ashton doesn't give him the ball.
Billy Boston comes flying in from the wing from around 35 yards out, Boston arrives at the perfect time just inside Ashton, receives a supremely timed short ball and scores close to the posts.
That move was used a few times once for Great Britain and Murphy was the scrum (he's no idea what was happening) Eventually opposition teams got wise, but it was brilliant to watch.
Sadly things like that couldn't be used today, there is far too much video analysis.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Best set move EVER.
Attacking scrum 25 yards from opposition try line, 20 yards in from right hand touchline
Scrum half passes ball to stand off (David Bolton) and he passes it on to right centre (Eric Ashton) then goes around Ashton to take the return pass.
Opposition chase Bolton, BUT Ashton doesn't give him the ball.
Billy Boston comes flying in from the wing from around 35 yards out, Boston arrives at the perfect time just inside Ashton, receives a supremely timed short ball and scores close to the posts.
That move was used a few times once for Great Britain and Murphy was the scrum (he's no idea what was happening) Eventually opposition teams got wise, but it was brilliant to watch.
Sadly things like that couldn't be used today, there is far too much video analysis.'"
I remember a great move by Wire from scrum against Wigan in Lancs Cup final at Knowsley Road. Andy Gregory to fullback I think it was Johnson. Also remember the game for the much anticipated Gary Helmsley Smith playing made one run sideways and that was all I remember of his career
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