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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Great in attack? Never seen it. His go-forward isn't there. Never seen anything which would suggest he has the passing vision, rugby brain and skillset to link the play with passing etc from the centre of attack.

He does however have a great engine; great in defence (don't think anyone would argue with that) and 'put himself about'. I've said it before but he's far more a Harrison Hansen than a Lockers or even Liam Faz. I just don't see him suited to the role even if you go down the 3rd prop route.

We've been blessed with great 13s from Hanley (even Phil Clarke) Andy Faz and now Lockers. Maybe half the reason Lockers is still our 13 at 37/38 is the fact that the successor isn't there. Unless you're looking at playing a 3rd prop, it's clear to me it's time to get the shopping list ready.'"


I think he is great in attack personally but each to their own.

The rest of your post though I agree with (other than the role suitability sentence). Recruiting a 13 is an option but I think it’s likely to go to Faz. He does have the hands, line running, engine and defensive capabilities for the role and it also resolves the ‘left sided second rower’ problem with Greenwood and Smithies (providing the former is still at the club) completing the back row.

Another option could be Bullock, considering Flower and Clubb just won’t be 13 and rightly so. Though I haven’t seen enough of Bullock to really say if he could be a 13 and if we do go the 3rd prop route like clubs seem to be doing, it would on the face off it fit into that mould and make sense.

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "You couldn’t name 3 British props with a better record. He’s played for said teams selected multiple times due to individual performances. You consistently have nothing to support your own opinions apart from another opinion. No facts or substance.

Prove me wrong. For once add a little substance to a point.'"


Your argument is based on how many trophies a player wins as to a marker of good they are as a player. Its nonsense and far too simplistic thinking to get the true picture. It simply means that Morley was in the right place at the right time just as Ricky Bibby was when he won 2 challenge cup medals. Morley was over rated, i had Aussie friends who i used to talk to around the time he played in Aus and they all voiced frustration about him flying out of the line trying to put on a big hit and missing more than he connected.

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Quote: The_Enforcer "Your argument is based on how many trophies a player wins as to a marker of good they are as a player. Its nonsense and far too simplistic thinking to get the true picture. It simply means that Morley was in the right place at the right time just as Ricky Bibby was when he won 2 challenge cup medals. Morley was over rated, i had Aussie friends who i used to talk to around the time he played in Aus and they all voiced frustration about him flying out of the line trying to put on a big hit and missing more than he connected.'"


Whereas you fail to address any point I make. You're now supporting your opinions with your 'Aussie friends'. You are also missing the point. Morley wasn't an Ian Kirke, he was selected for multiple high profile clubs who had their pick of players. If Morley was 'just a thug'...
-Why would Sydney Roosters not recruit an NRL player? why fly out a player from the other side of the world to play in a top side?
-Why would several GB and England coaches select Morley time and time again as a starting prop when they had literally every GB/English forward to pick from?

Take a look at the Bradford side that did what they could to loan him.

Whereas your argument of Ricky Bibey is terrible. He wasn't signed multiple times by top teams and certainly wasn't chosen to represent his country, he was a journey man.

I'm now concerned you're not getting this.

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Whereas you fail to address any point I make. You're now supporting your opinions with your 'Aussie friends'. You are also missing the point. Morley wasn't an Ian Kirke, he was selected for multiple high profile clubs who had their pick of players. If Morley was 'just a thug'...
-Why would Sydney Roosters not recruit an NRL player? why fly out a player from the other side of the world to play in a top side?
-Why would several GB and England coaches select Morley time and time again as a starting prop when they had literally every GB/English forward to pick from?

Take a look at the Bradford side that did what they could to loan him.

Whereas your argument of Ricky Bibey is terrible. He wasn't signed multiple times by top teams and certainly wasn't chosen to represent his country, he was a journey man.

I'm now concerned you're not getting this.'"


I never said 'he was just a thug'. I think you are barking up the wrong tree. Ive said time and time again that he was a good player but it was the aggression that made him a good player and the rest of his game was just decent/average. I find him over rated, that means i dont think he was as good as he is made out to be. You seem to be doing mental gymnastics in order to try and make out that i have said he was crap/garbage or rubbish. You are immortalising Morley like the holy grail of props when he simply wasnt.

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Quote: The_Enforcer "I never said 'he was just a thug'. I think you are barking up the wrong tree. Ive said time and time again that he was a good player but it was the aggression that made him a good player and the rest of his game was just decent/average. I find him over rated, that means i dont think he was as good as he is made out to be. You seem to be doing mental gymnastics in order to try and make out that i have said he was crap/garbage or rubbish. You are immortalising Morley like the holy grail of props when he simply wasnt.'"


Nope.

This is what I'm saying; 'Morley has been one of the best British props in the last few decades'. I don't think saying that makes him overrated. I have supported that with listing his achievements (which puts him above nearly all GB forwards) And then explained how he's achievements also reflect his career and performances. All that evidences and supports my statement.

In opposition you've offered nothing in the slightest to counter my statement. You've backed yourself up with your own opinion and 'your Aussie mates'.

It's that clear really. Not exactly 'mental gymnastics' it's a simple process of making a statement and supporting it with facts.

Some posters in here are fantastic at countering a point, offering a different take to back up a different opinion with facts and not just opinion. Hopefully you'll get there one day mate icon_wink.gif

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