Grasping at straws. He is implying we deliberately lost the game with minimum effort to try and bluff you in the final. We are not getting to the final Salford were unlucky previously against us. They will not make the same mistakes again and we have peaked 2-3 games too early.

Saints deserves to win the GF as does Salford. Salford on just pure heart alone. You lot because your well ahead of every team in SL by a mile. We win we prove that the format lets mediocrity rule as it did in 2016.

A team that once trotted the likes of Jordan James, the ghost of Tim Jonkers, Liam Botham, Scott Logan and David Allen out as forwards will definitely have had a worse performance.

Clubb is a waste of cap space at this point, and I feel for Smithies who was dropped to accommodate a Lockers who is frankly falling apart at this point.

Scraping the barrel if you have to go back to a forward pack of those players. The intent of my original post still stands, im sure somebody will be able to find an equally woeful forward display if they dig long and hard enough but that would just be nit picking on the wording of my post title.

A bit unfair, I suppose, to single out Flower and Clubb as no one came out of the game with any credit but I looked at their faces at one point and they looked done in. They were blowing out of their s. I’m not knocking them, as they’ve been great servants to the club, but the simple fact of the matter is that they’ve had their day.

In Walmsley and Thompson, Saints have two of the best, if not the best, front rowers in the competition. Not only are they younger than Flower and Clubb, they look physically fitter and certainly on Friday, they played with an intensity that our two couldn’t live with.

Thankfully, IL has addressed the situation for next season, or at least in part with Burgess being a huge upgrade on what we’ve currently got. In Joe Bullock, there is the potential there to be every bit as good as his St Helens counterparts. At 6’ 5” and 17st 7lb, he is a huge unit. He also has age on his side. We’ve just got to get that belief in him, with a level of fitness to match.

I doubt we have enough to go all the way again this season. They’ve done us physically and now (perhaps more importantly) mentally.

If the pies are serious about beating saints at OT, assuming they get there, then they need to adopt the Warrington way in playing second rows in the half’s instead of backs.
This will stifle their forwards and as we seen in the Challenge Cup Final at Wembley, once this happens they lose the plot and become mistake ridden.

Jordan James always gave his all, as did Jonkers and Botham.

Scott Logan was a half decent player IMO

French has to be tried at FB.
It's glaringly obvious how we aren't getting any second phase play going with a second receiver. Keep Zak on the pitch; I highly rate him, but we're stagnate and it has to change with immediate effect.

BFUT made 1 x carry and 7 of those metres in the first carry of the game from the kick off!
I didn't think thise stats could be any worse when I saw them, then I saw the first carry and realise they could!

I could make that yardage if the defensive line stood still!

He needs to be sat in the stands with me, the Club got mugged when they agreed a two year contract with Clubby. We are certainly better off with Navarette and Greenwood.

Next season if all fit our props should be Burgess Bullock Partington Bryne and Flower, Clubb and Navarette shouldn’t be playing next season because they are too slow make hardly any metres and are a liability quite frankly, I’ve been impressed with Bryne but he needs a bit more time imo