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| Simple question - does the club have an issue when it comes to developing, identifying and getting the best out of props?
Development - Sutton, Crosby, Prescott, Mossop, O'Carroll all produced by the club, with only Sutton potentially on the cusp of doing anything of note. Who was the last great prop we produced - possibly Andy Faz, but it would be a stretch to call him a prop? Think about other players we've produced in that time like Tomkins X2, Faz, Gildart, Burgess, Manfredi, HH, Ashton, Williams, Mcilorum etc.
Identifying - Bullock, TT and Clubb all started life at either wing or centre and, whilst I'll give Bullock more time, we do seem to keep going back to the same formula that hasn't produced great results. Chris Hill was missed/not picked up by the scouts and you hear stories about us not moving for Walmsley because of his lack of lateral movement. Add in Taylor who had the heart or a pea / no desire to be the best and you've got a sorry tale of picking the wrong guys.
Performance - Lima, FPN and Pettybourne came over with decent reps and whilst the first two weren't as bad as people make out, they didn't exactly set the league on fire. It's taken a move to the NRL for Sutton to be the player we know he can be too. When was the last time we saw a dominant prop performance? Lima in the CC final (I know I said he didn't rip up any trees) or Coley n the WCC?
People will point to Flower and he's been great, but that's one guy vs more than a handful who haven't been great.
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| Quote: NickyKiss "And I think he’s probably fair enough. After a strong start for us he’s looked jaded recently IMO and isn’t having as much impact with the ball. It’s understandable and the rest should do him some good and hopefully help him re-focus.'"
I don’t think his issues are when we’re in possession. It’s the fact he’s lazy in defence and seems to be saving himself to do the big impressive runs. Warrington in particular targeted the hole behind the play the ball every time bullock was marker. Clarke had a field day!
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| Quote: Bigredwarrior "I don’t think his issues are when we’re in possession. It’s the fact he’s lazy in defence and seems to be saving himself to do the big impressive runs. Warrington in particular targeted the hole behind the play the ball every time bullock was marker. Clarke had a field day!'"
Probably also at fault for Leeds' stroll in try under the posts. Just switches off occasionally but great first year from him.
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| Quote: MadDogg "Probably also at fault for Leeds' stroll in try under the posts. Just switches off occasionally but great first year from him.'"
Exactly. He’s been a cracking signing but still has plenty of improvement in him. That’s a good thing.
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| Quote: Bigredwarrior "Exactly. He’s been a cracking signing but still has plenty of improvement in him. That’s a good thing.'"
A great first season at this level and I dare say he's played a lot more matches than the coaching staff had planned for. Giving him a rest won't do him any harm.
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| Quote: Bigredwarrior "I don’t think his issues are when we’re in possession. It’s the fact he’s lazy in defence and seems to be saving himself to do the big impressive runs. Warrington in particular targeted the hole behind the play the ball every time bullock was marker. Clarke had a field day!'"
Totally agree but when he was making plenty of strong carries that defence could be forgiven a little but now the impact isn’t as high with the ball it makes it tougher to look past.
He’s been a good signing overall and hopefully he can improve what he needs to so he can kick on.
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