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I agree with most of what's been said. I would like to say as well that the constant chopping and changing of format and rules has really contributed too. The Super League bosses have been far too reactive and knee jerk. Some of the formats and rule changes have been silly gimmicks at the expense of long term credibility.

Also obviously it's just money. Salary cap is the big one. It's frankly embarrassing that the league only got Ben Barba because he's a coke head and Joel Monaghan because he put his cock in a dogs mouth. How can we celebrate having those players when they clearly only came because of degenerate behaviour? It's like we just pick up the dregs. I'm not trying to take a moral high ground here either, I know Wigan have Zak Hardaker and had Hock, I'm just saying they would be playing in England anyway, the first two just demonstrate that we're such a league we only get outcasts.

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Quote: rubber duckie "Nope did us no harm in 1980 when Wigan were smalltime!

Why Wigan and Saints fans think the whole of SL revolves around that derby game?...it just makes me smile.'"


we were still bigger than you in a lower league, what about Saints then? Did you miss their attendances also?

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Quote: rubber duckie "I had to Google that to be sure you wasn't talking about Hardaker.'"


That's a good line, but basically you're letting your visceral dislike of Wigan get in the way of seeing the bigger picture.

Don't worry though. There are thousands of you who do that. Which is another problem the game has.

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Quote: Cruncher "That's a good line, but basically you're letting your visceral dislike of Wigan get in the way of seeing the bigger picture.

Don't worry though. There are thousands of you who do that. Which is another problem the game has.'"

That's unfair as I don't always read that comic at breakfast.

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Quote: Him "How could we possibly increase the cap to match that of the NRL when the TV deal, attendances and income are way below that of the NRL.
If we increased the cap to the same as the NRL it would be more than half the SL clubs annual income and leave the likes of Wigan, Saints & Warrington with only a couple of million to pay for everything else. It’s entirely impractical.

There are many reasons why RL’s national profile has de lines since the 90’s. The salary cap is NOT one of them. The bankrupting exercise RL’s clubs merrily engaged in in the 80’s and 90’s very much is. That’s why we have out of date clubs playing in out of date, embarrassing facilities in front of sometimes embarrassing crowds.
There are other reasons such as the concentration of media in the south and the focus away from regional to national stories/interests. Along with a media refocus away from working class to middle/upper class audiences. No-one is bothered about watching 2 small northern towns play each other anymore. They want clubs and places they can relate to. We don’t provide that. The majority of people in the country wouldn’t be able to find on a map where half the SL clubs are.

But let’s not kid ourselves that if only we could spend more money on overseas players that would solve the issue. Not at all. If we have money spare to spend on overseas players that we’re not currently using then it’s a disgrace that that isn’t being spent on domestic player development.

So - parochialism,loss of any meaningful internationals, a southern centric media operating what is effectively a sporting apartheid,badly managed expansionism? Surely not unsurmountable issues within a professionally managed organisation ?

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not at all, Wire, Saints, Leeds, Wigan and more all spend a fortune on their academy thus developing. This doesnt count towards the cap unless someone plays and is on a good wage.

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