it suited it perfectly well thank you, considering you claimed I exaggerated then went on to say that i'd been "told this 10 million times already".

You don’t think the chairman has any input on what he pays an employee? I’d be very surprised if that was the case but I don’t know for sure either way. He clearly trusts Rad but I’m in the mindset that final agreement on the contract would be sign off by him.

a valid response and total disregard of my opinion are two very different things.

That is hands-down the daftest thing you've said so far.

He may not be there at every stage of a negotiation, but if you genuinely believe (or are just saying you believe it in order to save face) that he is not deeply involved in the construction and closure of huge financial deals for this business he owns called Wigan RL ... well, words finally fail me.

once again, taking one single comment of mine out of context and using it for a good old ego-boosting response. I didn't say I wish he was still here, I didn't say he was a good player, but I did say I thought the decision to let him go when we had no replacement was a silly decision.

we won trophys in spite of him? ha ha. bit harsh and also quite off the mark.

in fact, by your reasoning all of this is Smiths fault then?

folks, I have an answer, case closed.

You said [ueverybody[/u was complaining about there being no money to spend, i said i was not complaining, thwerefore you were exagerating on this point... If you wilfully choose to see it another way, it probably says more about you... HTH

i'm pretty sure you are right that he has a say, but the wigan players don't go direct to Mr L and say can i have a wage rise please! there are intermediaries involved and i'm pretty sure that KR would be much more involved than IL for that matter.

but at the end of the day he is the one who backed the returning players policy, the new contracts for GW and TT and he is the one who the buck stops with. however, like I have maintained over and over again he is not the one coming in on a Monday morning saying, Shaun, give out this and that contract - those dealings are dealt with elsewhere and only overseen and finalised by him.

I really can't make it much more clearer what I am trying to say.

and do you know what, if it is him, then yes he is a bloody numpty too. he can pump as much money in as you like and he can bring as much success to the club as he likes, but if his and his staffs' handling of the club means we are losing around £500k a year then is he really proving a success OFF the field and once again my question is, which has still nto been even remotely answered, where is that £7M going?!?!?!?!?

All this over Gelling going to Widnes? Christ almighty.

All of what is Smith’s fault? I haven’t said anything is his or anybody else’s fault? All I’ve said I’m happy with the way the club is being run and most of the decisions being made. I trust IL and KR to do the right thing for the club and I’m excited to see what we look like next season. If you’re happy in a world of doom and gloom good luck to you!

Quote WiganBurt="WiganBurt"i'm pretty sure you are right that he has a say, but the wigan players don't go direct to Mr L and say can i have a wage rise please! there are intermediaries involved and i'm pretty sure that KR would be much more involved than IL for that matter. but at the end of the day he is the one who backed the returning players policy, the new contracts for GW and TT and he is the one who the buck stops with. however, like I have maintained over and over again he is not the one coming in on a Monday morning saying, Shaun, give out this and that contract - those dealings are dealt with elsewhere and only overseen and finalised by him. I really can't make it much more clearer what I am trying to say. and do you know what, if it is him, then yes he is a bloody numpty too. he can pump as much money in as you like and he can bring as much success to the club as he likes, but if his and his staffs' handling of the club means we are losing around £500k a year then is he really proving a success OFF the field and once again my question is, which has still nto been even remotely answered, =#FF0000where is that £7M going?!?!?!?!?'" Here, have a look. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... ng-history All the accounts are there from way back. Have a look what sort of mess Wigan were in before IL took over.

Quote WiganBurt="WiganBurt"i'm pretty sure you are right that he has a say, but the wigan players don't go direct to Mr L and say can i have a wage rise please! there are intermediaries involved and i'm pretty sure that KR would be much more involved than IL for that matter. but at the end of the day he is the one who backed the returning players policy, the new contracts for GW and TT and he is the one who the buck stops with. however, like I have maintained over and over again he is not the one coming in on a Monday morning saying, Shaun, give out this and that contract - those dealings are dealt with elsewhere and only overseen and finalised by him. I really can't make it much more clearer what I am trying to say. and do you know what, if it is him, then yes he is a bloody numpty too. he can pump as much money in as you like and he can bring as much success to the club as he likes, but if his and his staffs' handling of the club means we are losing around £500k a year then is he really proving a success OFF the field and once again my question is, which has still nto been even remotely answered, =#FF0000where is that £7M going?!?!?!?!?'" Here, have a look. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/comp ... ng-history All the accounts are there from way back. Have a look what sort of mess Wigan were in before IL took over.

How is it a disregard of your opinion? Don't you know the difference between 'disagree' and 'disregard'? I clearly disagree with your opinion and have given you valid reasons why. That is the polar opposite of disregarding it.

It seems that you are unable to accept it when someone disagrees with you and throw a strop when your argument is shown to have no validity whatsoever.

You claimed Tomkins was not on a third of a million per year and would command a large transfer fee. I gave a balanced reason based on previous salaries and current market transfer fees why this was probably wrong. I even showed that even if we weighted all the figures heavily (and, as we know, unrealistically) in your favour, your premise that we would nett a return on that investment was completely wrong.

I have taken the trouble to answer you with a reasoned post. At least have the decency to afford me the same courtesy.

Either that or admit you're wrong. Either will suffice.