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| Quote: Phuzzy "First choice winger due to injuries to others reinforces my point which was the fact that someone at the very start of his career has already accomplished something extraordinary. Not really sure how you feel that contradicts it but whatever.
There's nothing skewed about asking for the markers by which you make the claim that Makinson is 'head and shoulders' above Davies. Last time I checked they didn't skew statistics in order to support one club or another. Yet again you fail to provide them. We're definitely starting to get a pattern here.
At least you recognize it as hyperbole. That's progress I guess. Maybe your next step it to recognize using it doesn't make it true.
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I could look through stats and figures and achievements re Davies and Makinson, but the last time I played your game highlighting facts/figures re Lockers and Bateman you emailed me privately asking me to stop as it was becoming a two man thread after justifying all my points. (life is far too short to get back into that one!) I think you'll find that's more of a pattern than me failing to support my points.
Last time I also pointed out that stats only provided information of very definable measures, i.e meters made etc, it's so baffling that someone would hang their hat on stats when there's far more complexities to a game, players performance, I'm assuming you do actually watch games and not just read the stats after the fact? If you really want this discussion, please feel free to mention it on the Saints board, I'm sure one or two of their fans would be happy to keep you entertained .
I actually regret going into the ins and outs of the Bateman/Lockers debate. I pointed out how stats only provided a short sighted overview, yet I still played your game justifying and supporting all my points. But furthermore because it seemed I was against Lockers, which couldn't be further from the truth; for me, he's the best player we have.
PS Hyberbole? "someone at the very start of his career has already accomplished something extraordinary" -Phuzzy on Tom Davies, June 2018.
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| Quote: 100% Warrior "The thing that’s getting me at the minute is how we continually bang on about our “world class” youth production line, but yet name a truly world class player it’s produced recently?
I look at Saints with envy to be totally honest. The likes of Makinson, Richardson, Percival, Grace and Thompson all brought through their ranks and looking for all money like some of them may well become world class.
Meanwhile we’ve brought through Burgess, Gildart, Williams, Powell, Davies, Sutton and Marshall who, don’t get me wrong on their day are good but they’re nowhere near the standard of Saints’ academy graduates IMHO.
Apols for going OT slightly and regarding the OP I’m a suckler for big aggressive take no sh*t forwards but I completely agree that the modern prop has to be more than a bully boy. A hybrid would be nice but they’re few and far between these days.'"
Put Ben Barba in Wigans team and our younger lads will be better than saints young lads.The difference between the two teams at the minute is Barba is winning games for saints.
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| Quote: JonnyBroad "Put Ben Barba in Wigans team and our younger lads will be better than saints young lads.The difference between the two teams at the minute is Barba is winning games for saints.'"
Yes.
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| Quote: JonnyBroad "Put Ben Barba in Wigans team and our younger lads will be better than saints young lads.The difference between the two teams at the minute is Barba is winning games for saints.'"
100% correct
There’s still some bang average players in that Saints side who are riding a wave created by Barba. Look at Sunday, they played a really depleted Hull side and Barba had an off day. They won by the skin of their teeth after scoring two try’s when Hull we’re down to 11 men and had another ten minutes playing against 12 men.
They’ll probably win the lot this year if he stays fit but take him out and I’d be pretty certain it wouldn’t take long for cracks to start appearing.
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| Quote: vastman "No they haven't, especially Widnes! I admit we are not there yet but we are still well ahead of all those and that includes Hudds though they have clearly rallied of late.
As for Kear, maybe, maybe not that's pure conjecture.
The fact is we should be better up front than we are and that lands at the feet of the players IMO.'"
You ought to make the split on early season form but Wakefield have not raised their game since that time. Huddersfield might catch you....but finishing 8th will save you because if you dont make it, in the middle 8s you will lose more than you'll win...which I'm not happy about. Trinity is my 2nd team.
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| Quote: rubber duckie "You ought to make the split on early season form but Wakefield have not raised their game since that time. Huddersfield might catch you....but finishing 8th will save you because if you dont make it, in the middle 8s you will lose more than you'll win...which I'm not happy about. Trinity is my 2nd team.'"
Tomorrow’s game is crucial no doubt as apart from the points we need two wins on the bounce. If we do this i think our season will be transformed.
People seem to think we’ve been terrible this season and we simply haven’t. Five of our defeats were by six points or less which is hardly panic stations.
What we have not been able to do so far this season is find that real purple patch, those half dozen games most team have during a season.
I don’t want to tempt fate but if you want to find form now is the time to start doing it. We’ll see if it starts tomorrow.
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