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The amount of criticism given to our players from our fans is shocking! Other clubs fans laugh at us.

Williams can be frustrating granted and hasn't been at his best form but to say he is rubbish is very harsh. Like has been said in a previous post I think he needs a 7 at the side of him who does all the organising etc so he can concentrate on his own game. He was more comfortable when Smith was 7, not saying we have to go and get Smith back but that style of 7 would be better suited for us. Sam at 7 wouldn't be the answer as the amount of freedom he has from full back allows him to inject himself into the game when he sees fit, maybe Escare could be an option if given a run and Powell reverts back to 9 in the rotation of hookers with Ganson being phased in for next season.

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It's hard to criticise Powell because he does very little wrong. That said I don't think much is asked of him, he's basically a catch and pass man, no real kicking game and no real attacking threat running with the ball. He does do what Wane asks of him, so any criticism needs to be aimed at the coach, it's his choice to go with Powell, knowing his strengths and weaknesses.

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Quote: DaveO "I think that is correct. The trouble is I think every coach in SL also knows it and doesn't expect it to change much. In particular the role of the 9 seems set in stone at times and there is a lack of variance. This only seems to change when we go behind and are playing catch up. Makes me wonder if the players decide to ditch the rigid game plan then.

It might restrict his freedom but given he's better at the job than Powell it becomes a debate about do you want him at 7 because he's a better half back or not? I think a lot would say Sam at 7 and Esacre at 1 is better than Powell at 7 and Sam at 1. As to Lockers being massive I agree and this just heightens concern over his inevitable retirement and his fairly regular absences from the team now. We don't really have an equivalent replacement who can link the play as he does but continue to try and play as if we have when he is not on the pitch.'"


Moving Sam from 1 would be the biggest error for me. He's a natural footballer, he knows when to link in the line, when to throw the cut out pass and when to engage the edge defenders. He's not got the pace to open up gaps like he once had, but he's light years ahead of Escare in this regard. Plus, he's better at organising the D with communication to the line. You lose this when moving him into the halves, not to factor in how many more tackles he'll have to get through, teams would target him in the line to tire him, hurt him etc.

Sam Powell is a great defensive 7. With Powell you don't have to protect him and move him out wide, he has experience of defending closer to the action without issue, this is underrated. However for me a 7 has to threaten the line, they need pace to go through the gap, and have great passing ability, Powell doesn't question the line, he doesn't put fear into the opposition with ball in hand.

Bateman v Leeds was impressive. can handle a range of positions including a ball playing lose. I was impressed with his lateral movement linking the halves, he can do it, he even, dare I say it, reminded me of Andy Faz with is movement, he's more than just a cart horse as a 13.

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Quote: DaveO "

It might restrict his freedom but given he's better at the job than Powell it becomes a debate about do you want him at 7 because he's a better half back or not? I think a lot would say Sam at 7 and Esacre at 1 is better than Powell at 7 and Sam at 1. '"


Yes, but even better IMO is Escare at #7 and Sam at #1. Forget the switcheroo and have TL and Powell as hookers, whoever starts and substitutes doesn’t really matter.

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "I think at there is honest confusion with how our team plays.

We seem to have the same structure as most but have subtle differences to other teams. At wigan we have

I'd go along with that summary, but surely the point is it's by no means restricted to Wigan. Could you not argue that many (most?) SL and NRL sides adopt a similar policy, with split halves ands a full-back helping link the play. Of course, what the rest of them don't have is Lockers. On the other hand, many of them offer more variety from dummy-half than we do.

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Quote: moto748 "I'd go along with that summary, but surely the point is it's by no means restricted to Wigan. Could you not argue that many (most?) SL and NRL sides adopt a similar policy, with split halves ands a full-back helping link the play. Of course, what the rest of them don't have is Lockers. On the other hand, many of them offer more variety from dummy-half than we do.'"


I'd say most follow the structure but operate differently.

For example we opt for our props to find their feet, quick play the ball then dummy half out with quick distribution to the halves. Other teams like a 9 who is given the opportunity to run, scoot from dummy half if they chose or even jump from dummy half into a first receiver position, then start the play from there.

Roby, Clark etc are allowed to scoot when they see fit, Rob Burrow was fantastic at quickly scooting, almost sideways into a first receiver position allowing for the whole attacking line to move on one, subtle differences can be the difference in starting the play.

Other teams like their props to 'hit and spin' looking for the offload, others allow their props to push for yardage after contact, there's pros and cons to the subtle differences in how you employ tactics.

Others chose to use the 13 as a straight up 3rd prop, this nulls a ball playing link like Lockers, but does allow for the starting props to remain in the pitch for longer, as the drives, workload is split by 3 not 2 props.

There's so much to it, the structure is merely the foundations.

But playing Sam anywhere other than FB? crazy.

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