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Quote: secondstanza "Leaving out the obvious issue of the props failing to lay a platform I think our biggest issue is that we're already losing at the play the ball. Our distribution is poor and predictable. This WC has shown what happens when it's this way (Hodgson) and it stifles attack. All of a sudden Roby comes on, speeds things up, gives the PTB a bit of variety and the attack gets some vigour. Our halfs look so much better because they have that bit extra time and space to move.

I think outside of sorting the props, our biggest way to improve should be at 9. Mickey Mac did okay against Ireland (against inferior opposition though) but whoever we go with, I want a dynamic hooker who can switch things up and make the defenses guess. When this happens I suspect you'll see the halves playing much better.'"

I believe that in training the mantra from Winder at the play the ball believe or not is speed and keep it simple and the quality of the pass is less important.
I think you are spot on in saying that distribution is poor and predictable.
MM looked a different player with Ireland so hopefully he can bring some of form back with for next season but speed isn't his greatest asset even when he plays well.

Roby is in a different league to all of our players bar SOL and maybe ST on a good day.

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Quote: Aboveusonlypie "Can you think of a team that plays this way? I've wracked my brain and I can't think of anyone. Even at the Cowboys Thurston plays on the left and Morgan on the right. At Melbourne Cronk plays right and Munster left. Though Cronk and Thurston do go over and demand the ball occasionally, it is rare.'"


It's a good question. Usually now I see split halves, with the better halfback pairings you can see one half given more of a free role to link up with the opposite side of the pitch, this allows better players to 'play what's in front of them' rather than sticking to structures.

When Lockyer played for Aus with JT, Aus often lined up with the 6 as the second receiver, Lockyer often at times 'sat out' plays, the communication would be between the 9, Smith and JT a 7 to get the 'roll on' with the forwards etc. Lockyer then would be in a position to watch the defensive line and move either side of the ruck, always communicating with his 7 and importantly his FB (Slater) when to chime into the line to form an attack, he operated like an on-field coach.

This is now become another difference between our game RL and RU, who will shift their backs in order to attack different flanks, nearly always lining up 9 (SH) to 10 (FH) to a 12 (IC) to the 13(OS) with then options to bring in the 15 (FB) and winger. (I've even noticed at times a RU winger on the opposite flank working in the play as another option, almost like a RL FB (this is were Ashton found try scoring success with his great support play in RU.

Even if you look at some RL graphics when they line up teams (news.bbc.co.uk/sol/shared/bsp/hi ... /image.gif) They use the old structure.

As we, as most teams employ a split halves attack both halves pretty much need to be an 'old school' 7, a ball player, skilful with hands controlling their half of the attack, this is why the FB in the modern game is so important, they are the 'new stand off' they link up as a second receiver in the line linking to the centres/wingers etc.

For me Williams doesn't control his half, at times runs around like a headless chicken, and in truth as very little to do with Tommy who is on the other side of the pitch.

I feel both 6 and 7 or shall we say 7 and 7 should be great ball players, can open up defences, can control and read a game and have a great kicking game. Game management is the key with a 13 linking between the two halves.
Quote: Aboveusonlypie "Can you think of a team that plays this way? I've wracked my brain and I can't think of anyone. Even at the Cowboys Thurston plays on the left and Morgan on the right. At Melbourne Cronk plays right and Munster left. Though Cronk and Thurston do go over and demand the ball occasionally, it is rare.'"


It's a good question. Usually now I see split halves, with the better halfback pairings you can see one half given more of a free role to link up with the opposite side of the pitch, this allows better players to 'play what's in front of them' rather than sticking to structures.

When Lockyer played for Aus with JT, Aus often lined up with the 6 as the second receiver, Lockyer often at times 'sat out' plays, the communication would be between the 9, Smith and JT a 7 to get the 'roll on' with the forwards etc. Lockyer then would be in a position to watch the defensive line and move either side of the ruck, always communicating with his 7 and importantly his FB (Slater) when to chime into the line to form an attack, he operated like an on-field coach.

This is now become another difference between our game RL and RU, who will shift their backs in order to attack different flanks, nearly always lining up 9 (SH) to 10 (FH) to a 12 (IC) to the 13(OS) with then options to bring in the 15 (FB) and winger. (I've even noticed at times a RU winger on the opposite flank working in the play as another option, almost like a RL FB (this is were Ashton found try scoring success with his great support play in RU.

Even if you look at some RL graphics when they line up teams (news.bbc.co.uk/sol/shared/bsp/hi ... /image.gif) They use the old structure.

As we, as most teams employ a split halves attack both halves pretty much need to be an 'old school' 7, a ball player, skilful with hands controlling their half of the attack, this is why the FB in the modern game is so important, they are the 'new stand off' they link up as a second receiver in the line linking to the centres/wingers etc.

For me Williams doesn't control his half, at times runs around like a headless chicken, and in truth as very little to do with Tommy who is on the other side of the pitch.

I feel both 6 and 7 or shall we say 7 and 7 should be great ball players, can open up defences, can control and read a game and have a great kicking game. Game management is the key with a 13 linking between the two halves.


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Quote: exiled Warrior "We still need a half who can organise and especially kick - for a long time now Wigan have been very poor in the long kicking game, Lockers will not be around for much longer so we need something in place. George is a runner - it is what he does best plus his short passing game is improving, but he is not a good field kicker. Until someone fullfils that role - split halves or not there will always be issues. Every other club seems to have someone (or more) who takes that responsibility and does it at least to a decent standard - bar Wigan.'"


I agree. But we need two halves. As one organises the left, and the other the right. One only operates his half of the attack.

Being a runner simply isn't good enough in a half. They need game management, passing, kicking and the ability to open up the line.

We are lacking in both halves.

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Many would disagree but I feel Danny Brough would be a great 6/7 for us. Great organiser, excellent kicking game, can find a break and would be excellent and linking with a FB.

Great spot kicker as well.

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Quote: Last Son of Wigan "Many would disagree but I feel Danny Brough would be a great 6/7 for us. Great organiser, excellent kicking game, can find a break and would be excellent and linking with a FB.

Great spot kicker as well.'"

Extremely ill disciplined though. Did you know he gave away more penalties than any Wigan player last year, and led the league on sin bins (3)? That's ridiculous given that half backs don't have to make that many tackles.

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Quote: Grimmy "Extremely ill disciplined though. Did you know he gave away more penalties than any Wigan player last year, and led the league on sin bins (3)? That's ridiculous given that half backs don't have to make that many tackles.'"


I think that would change in the Wigan team chasing titles. He can be a hothead granted.

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