Smith's kicking game was far better.

I agree with what you are saying, although after watching Tommy's performances for NW I was in favour of him coming back for me TL and GW don't complement each other. We need a half with a good long kicking game as neither have. That said without a change in tactics regarding the use of our forwards it's probably pointless.

Standard excuse attempt by many to re write history.

Matty Smith kicking game is far superior to TL and Matty Smith was no world beater very often. But on his day his kicking cold be exceptional.

Smith might be a bench player for Saints but TL would not get a game.

You have to wonder what was going through the managements minds when they signed two players St Helens had originally been looking at in Nuuausala and Leuluai. If there was ever a club (in recent history) not to jump over the top of for transfer targets it's been St Helens. Their recruitment has been a disaster for a number of years.

I totally disagree. Smith's kicking game was no better than average. His kicks were straight down the full back or wingers throats most of the time or went straight dead in goal. He had the odd good game with the boot which masked his inept performances in other facets of the game. Tommy is a far better rugby player than Smith could ever dream of being but his kicking game isn't much worse than Smiths.

Its due to Burgess turning up after pre season so it severly hampered the season, like Leeds last year.

Wane could do himself (and the club's season ticket coffers) a favour if he publically acknowledged that the style of play hasn't been entertaining enough and they are going back to the drawing board to address this. I feel he will stay on, but that will mean a lot fewer renewals and more financial pain for the club.

It's was a question, don't be so defensive. Good job the majority of Wigan fans aren't as precious as you.

Wane is bad for the game, it's as simple as that.

Load of rubbish. A very successful British coach with more passion in his little finger than any other coach in SL ever had. He loves the game and loves his club. He might not be your cup of tea but to say he's been bad for the game is just completely wrong. Would you prefer all foreign coaches just here for a pay packet?

Well said.

The trouble is, mate, considered as your views may be - and I don't know (or care) whether they are or aren't - this is the kind of OTT crud we hear all the time.

Wigan aren't just bad, they're evil. Wigan don't try to get ahead as a club (unlike everyone else, of course), they deliberately do it at the expense of old ladies and orphans. Wigan's coach isn't just bad for Wigan, he's bad for society as a whole.

All shrieked at us in Pinky & Perky voices.

You might be different, but the record's the same. It's all a yawn.