Just to give you some perspective from over t'hill (intended to be constructive).

I think the views of your fans, perhaps with the exception of Cas this year, pretty much mirror fans of the game as a whole. The sport has been sterilised to the point where it's no longer attractive. For the first time in 30 odd years I missed Saints home games this year for the same reasons cited on here.

Gone is the needle and the biff. How many teams these days have real hard men, enforcers, who would scare the life out of the opposition and enrage rival fans with their antics? Similarly, where are the 'great' home-based players like Edwards, Gregory, Hanley and their generation?

I actually can't think of any. The game has little genuine skill.

So before crying out for change with Wane within just be careful what you wish for. Despite the rivalry, I think he is one of the best coaches you could possibly have at Wigan. I respect anyone in the sport with his level of honesty even if I don't always agree with what he says.

Changing the guard doesn't always bring what you would like and, in fact, can destabilise much of the 'good' that goes on and that you can take for granted. Maybe you just need a fresh look at the way you do your transfer business/play the game and attract new fans - a change to the way you play would do that in no small measure.

You'll be there or thereabouts again next year. What's needed is change at wholesale SL level; no one Club in isolation will turn the game on its head. I wish there was a constructive way for fans to lobby for that - I hear it everywhere I go.

I've been struggling to put it into words how i've felt about the club over the last few seasons but you've absolutely nailed it. I love Wigan and i always will, but watching them has become a chore more than a privilege. Well said, mate.

Great post, no need to add anything.

We haven't always seen eye to eye on here as I'm sure you remember, but you are absolutely spot on here. Well said. Last year I called us out as champions from a long way out, simply because the rest of the league was crap. But being the best of a bad bunch isn't the Wigan way and we can't even claim that this year. Something's got to give...

An excellent post. And touches on many points which for those of us in the RL world outside the Wigan bubble captured also what many actually feel about the club but find it hard to put into words.

Wigan were and are a great RL club who were respected in equal amounts. The difference is that now I just don't think the respect is there, certainly not to the same degree. And that's sad because it took generations to build.
Because their is an insular feel about Wigan this will probably be rejected instantly by most Pies.
But honestly that is the way most see Wigan RLFC now. One or 2 players really typify this feeling and the theatricals that grates so much on all other supporters. It is certainly not to the benefit of your fine club or RL in general.
RL need a Wigan who play free flowing RL, without tantrums, petulance, never ending gamesmanship etc. This is what Rl wants. I'm sure it's what the Wigan fan base want.
A club with your heritage should be setting the highest standards of play. Not a standard that is boring and driving your own supporters away.
Wigan should be a flag bearer for what is best in rugby league. At the moment it is not, and its more serious than just a blip in player quality that you have had to deal with before. It's about what you actually stand for as a club and the way the game is played. Or should be played.