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Quote: Aboveusonlypie "I'd agree that we are looking better. I put that down to Williams, Farrell, Gildart and Burgess on the left edge. We look no different on the right edge.

Every kicker in the league hoofs it straight to the full back when they are kicking from 20 or 30 yards out. Matty is no different in that respect, but he is better when we are going forward, much better than Tommy.

I've been delighted by Escare, But his goal kicks are not as accurate. He has missed 12 out of 30 that's 60% success. Quite comfortably worse that Smith last season, who kicked 83 out of 110 that's 75%. Sometimes the figures (reality) tell a different story from what you've 'seen'.

Just out of interest I looked up Pat Richards' rate in 2013 - any guesses? (Yes 75%!!!)'"



I'd say it's quite unfair to be branding Tommy as unorganised but saying we're playing better because of George. The only reason George has the freedom to play is because Tommy is taking control, doing the basics and giving George the opportunity to play like he can.

I also think it's quite unfair to judge Escare's kicking against Matty's based on a few games. Not sure of the statistics but I'm sure Smith didn't start out with a great rate, but he improved... like Escare hopefully will.

Saying that, Matty was great for Wigan and it wasn't good to see him go.

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Quote: Bigredwarrior "Ha, hang your head in shame!

With regards to Smith last night it was a typical Smith performance and I wouldn't expect much more from him. What on earth was Wilkin doing kicking on 2nd tackle? Time he called it a day, he's pants!!'"

Get yourself over to Redvee. After a couple of weeks of solidification the meltdown is once again in full swing - hilarious!

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I dont know what you guys are complaining about, I dont think your halves are why you lost that game

Williams is looking very good, I thought his tries were a bit soft by us, but his general play has definately improved, I dont know why some of our fans were giving him stick, I dont think he his the Lee Briers (or S Tomkins for that matter) type who constantly winds up opposition fans and wines at the ref

If he wants to be number 6 for england though he still needs to do more outside the opposition 40, as Widdop has started well this year

Overall good game I thought, just what you want from Leeds Wigan, some skill on show and plenty of aggression and (from my point of view) Leeds taking the 2 points

Nearly crashed my car when heard Wanes interview, saying we were the better team, fair play to him

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Quote: leedsnsouths "I dont know what you guys are complaining about, I dont think your halves are why you lost that game

Williams is looking very good, I thought his tries were a bit soft by us, but his general play has definately improved, I dont know why some of our fans were giving him stick, I dont think he his the Lee Briers (or S Tomkins for that matter) type who constantly winds up opposition fans and wines at the ref

If he wants to be number 6 for england though he still needs to do more outside the opposition 40, as Widdop has started well this year

Overall good game I thought, just what you want from Leeds Wigan, some skill on show and plenty of aggression and (from my point of view) Leeds taking the 2 points

Nearly crashed my car when heard Wanes interview, saying we were the better team, fair play to him'"


These posts were all before tonight's game.

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Quote: Bigredwarrior "These posts were all before tonight's game.'"


I know, but I hadnt seen much of your halves before tonights games, and I thought they were pretty good

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Nearly crashed my car when heard Wanes interview, saying we were the better team, fair play to him'"


It's probably in the script IL has given him. He probably wanted to say Ferres is a dirty bar steward and should have been sent off but IL doesn't want to pay the fine.

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