That was my memory of him - always looked like he just hit it as hard he could. The definition of hit and hope.

I was at that Leeds game in 2011, and remember thinking we had a better chance by tapping it and trying to get a try. Celebrated like a lunatic when he landed it though!

Other clubs seem to have at least 2 options for kicking goals (Wire have 4!). Why do we leave ourselves in this situation and why haven't we brought through a genuinely world class kicker from our great academy

They probably have 6, all of which are more capable than anyone on our team.

Ratchford, Gidley, Sandow, Westerman, Westwood, Patton

Wigan do (did) have four or more. Smith, Williams, S Tomkins, Shorrocks, Higginson and Gregson. Sadly three of them are injured.

There's no way you can count S.Tomkins, I bet he's not practiced for about 5 years. Don't think Williams has ever kicked a goal for the first team either.

Williams kicked 11 goals in 2014, 8 in SL and 3 in the CC

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good argument

What argument is there?

I genuinely can't remember him ever kicking conversions, I'm sure it passed many other people by as well. I'd be surprised if Williams kicks any next year.

I didn't have a clue either I looked it up. I wasn't trying to show you up cocker

I can see Escare putting in a ton of practice to try and keep a spot in the side when Sam returns from injury. He's kicked a goal before at least.

I looked it up too, and that year he kicked 8 in the league, he missed 5. So, not a great success rate.