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Quote: Aboveusonlypie "Getting to your fourth Grand Final in a row is a great achievement for any coach. Although we have lost the last two no-one could argue that we were comprehensively beaten in either. With luck we might even have won two out of the three.

Those who argue that winning is all and that getting to a final and losing counts for nothing are taking a rather narrow view of what constitutes success in sport.

This season has been a disaster regarding injuries. From losing Sam for the first half of the season and then losing Micky Mac after just two games to losing Lockers for most of the season. Our three most influential players out. Even stalwart experienced performers like Joel and Faz missed most of the season. And to top it off, a self inflicted wound, with our best performer by a mile suspended for eight games.

No coach would have been able to come up with the last 4 performances at the business end of the season like Waney has done at Warrington, Hull, home to Catalans and home to Hull. The ability to drag performances out of kids is frankly, amazing. They look like they would die for the shirt rather than miss a tackle.

If you said before the season that a team missing Sam Tomkins, Manfredi, McIlorum, Lockers, Clubb, Mossop and Joel Tomkins would have got to the Grand Final and having beaten Saints, Hull twice and Warrington in the last month or so be in with a chance of beating Warrington I wouldn't have believed you.

Players like Powell, Smith and Sarginson have confounded their critics time and again in the last month.

Win or lose on Saturday - these lads and Shaun Wane have done us proud.'"



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The season has been a strange one. We averaged 14 points a game in the first 23 rounds yet the defence dragged us into contention.

Since the 8s started were averaging around 30 points a game yet SW is still getting slated for poor attack. I think people forget how young this squad is and a lot of them are learning on the job. If we can keep the core element together we could build something really special. A win on Saturday will be a massive boost to players and another huge step in their development.

SW should be given credit for the blooding of the youngsters over his tenure here because had it gone wrong it would have been his neck on the line. Compare that to other sides eg Saints where they would rather swap five players positions rather than give a young lad out of the 19s a game

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Quote: bazdev "The season has been a strange one. We averaged 14 points a game in the first 23 rounds yet the defence dragged us into contention.

Since the 8s started were averaging around 30 points a game yet SW is still getting slated for poor attack. I think people forget how young this squad is and a lot of them are learning on the job. If we can keep the core element together we could build something really special. A win on Saturday will be a massive boost to players and another huge step in their development.

SW should be given credit for the blooding of the youngsters over his tenure here because had it gone wrong it would have been his neck on the line. Compare that to other sides eg Saints where they would rather swap five players positions rather than give a young lad out of the 19s a game'"


I'd agree with that, but also mention what Matty Smith said in an interview last week.

Smith said: “We’re known as a structured side, aren’t we?

“But the off-the-cuff stuff seems to be working more than the structure at the minute.

“We know we’ve got players who can win games.

“It’s alright keep saying (the attack will click), but actions are bigger, and over the last four weeks we’ve played better.



That to me says the players, and hopefully Wane now understand that their tactics were wrong, we have to let our better players play and let them express themselves. If Wane has admitted as much then I have no quarrels at all, it shows that he's learned from his players how best this team works.

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Saints Fan in peace here!

I have spoken to Shaun Wane on many occasions and his sheer desire for Wigan to succeed is unequalled. He knows he has made mistakes in the way Wigan attack and in my opinion Paul Deacon was never replaced with a like for like coach and I expect that to be rectified in the winter months. For a man who has lead Wigan to the last four Grand Finals some of the treatment of him is woeful at best. He won in 2013, Ben Flower's dismissal in 2014 killed any chance of Wigan winning the game despite one huge effort from you with 12 men (a huge effort instilled by Wane "never say die attitude". As a Saints fan if Flower doesn't commit that moment of madness I do believe Wigan would have won that particular Grand Final. Last year you came up against a truly great Leeds side and you did have your chances to win the game but in sport sometimes it just isn't your day, I've obviously experienced that as a Saints fan on a few occasions at Grand Finals as you all know.

This year Wigan haven't been great I understand that. You have had some horrendous injuries to pivotal people McIllorum, O'Loughlin, Manfredi and more recently Tomkins (not to mention other injuries and the fact you lost John Bateman for the best part of 2 months with a internal suspension). The sheer determination to over come adversity is a testament to your coach. Wane is a highly regarded coach and if he wins the GF tomorrow he should go down as a Wigan legend for life.

Enjoy the game tomorrow and have a safe journey

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Quote: Longy_7 "Saints Fan in peace here!

I have spoken to Shaun Wane on many occasions and his sheer desire for Wigan to succeed is unequalled. He knows he has made mistakes in the way Wigan attack and in my opinion Paul Deacon was never replaced with a like for like coach and I expect that to be rectified in the winter months. For a man who has lead Wigan to the last four Grand Finals some of the treatment of him is woeful at best. He won in 2013, Ben Flower's dismissal in 2014 killed any chance of Wigan winning the game despite one huge effort from you with 12 men (a huge effort instilled by Wane "never say die attitude". As a Saints fan if Flower doesn't commit that moment of madness I do believe Wigan would have won that particular Grand Final. Last year you came up against a truly great Leeds side and you did have your chances to win the game but in sport sometimes it just isn't your day, I've obviously experienced that as a Saints fan on a few occasions at Grand Finals as you all know.

This year Wigan haven't been great I understand that. You have had some horrendous injuries to pivotal people McIllorum, O'Loughlin, Manfredi and more recently Tomkins (not to mention other injuries and the fact you lost John Bateman for the best part of 2 months with a internal suspension). The sheer determination to over come adversity is a testament to your coach. Wane is a highly regarded coach and if he wins the GF tomorrow he should go down as a Wigan legend for life.

Enjoy the game tomorrow and have a safe journey'"

You speak good sense my friend.

Shaun will be here for many years to come and thank God for that.

I guess his detractors on here will have found Saturday quite bittersweet.

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Quote: Aboveusonlypie "You speak good sense my friend.

Shaun will be here for many years to come and thank God for that.

I guess his detractors on here will have found Saturday quite bittersweet.'"


It wasn't bittersweet for me, I've never wanted anything but success. We've been fortunate this season that SL is as poor as it is, no way should a team with the injuries we've had and such poor attack be finishing second in the league and winning a grand final. But it isn't our fault we are the best of a bad bunch, I just know we can and should have been even better at times. I'm as elated as the next man that we won, and I look forward to getting our players back and seeing things improve even more.

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