And Craig Smith and a few others over the years.

Going back to the original question though we don't seem to have anyone who will suddenly spring into life, do something unexpected or leg it down the field for a long distance try like we have had in the past being structured is good but we also need some kind of surprise spark element

Although we have been poor in many areas I believe our biggest problem to be last tackle kicking options, especially near the opponent line. We seem to love the old grubber into the corner. But look at Hull, in recent weeks I've seen them score quite a lot of tries from Sneyd simply kicking a high one to the corner and Fonua competing well in the air. We never seem to test the opponent wingers with high kicks to the corner, I can't remember the last time Charnley scored a try like this.

I'm convinced we haven't put a bomb into the corner all season. Manfredi's arguably the best under the high ball too and Charnley's not bad either.

But, we still see the tired, forced grubber to the corner. Every time (unless Bateman conjurs something out of nothing).

Positionally maybe - but if Wigan have become nothing more than a team that just grinds out wins playing awful rugby then it is a very sad state of affairs and getting to the positon we have says a lot about the state of the game as a whole.

In reality my point was that even with a lot of injuries some teams still maintain an attractive playing style - I would expect that a club like Wigan should be capable of doing that (more so that a club like Cas as we have greater resources on and off the pitch to call on - at the risk of upsetting Cas fans). With the exception of one or two games this season Wigan have not really shown any great flair or attacking skill even when most of the players have been fit early season.

Basic attacking skill should be something that players are capable of despite the team having players out (and yes I get that some of the players missing have been our main pivots) but the vast majority of the paltry number of tries scored this season have in the main been individual players creating something - not great team play.

Even against Hull - great defense but the scores were individual efforts - again not the result of good attacking team play.

Rugby like any sport is supposedly entertainment - something Wigan have been missing.

I'll wager most Cas fans are happier about their season than most Wigan fans, despite finishing well below us.

The rugby we played last season wasn't great, but it's a damn sight worse this year.

Can't agree with that. Yes we've been dire to watch but at least we've been able to grind out a lot of wins meaning we're still in the running at the business end of the season. Playing flashy attacking rugby but being inconsistent results wise meaning you've nothing to play for by the time the Super 8's comes round can hardly be called a successful season IMO.