As I just said on another thread Gelling gave 200% last night as did Williams, but I just can't work out why Tierney is even given a shirt currently, he is a liability and it looks as if the players have little confidence giving him the ball? Hampshire out on loan looks much better all round.

SL standard is really dropping and yes Sam T has been disappointing, but the game itself is a shambles, I could not believe the figures 17 minutes into the second half how long the ball had been in play all the game, it is a disgrace.

But last night was further proof that the standard of referees is abysmal, Thaler pulled Wigan up in the first half several times, and just ignored the constant flops and holding down from Hull, he is so weak getting the players onside, and the references to the video referee are a joke recently? there seems no consistency? Thursday evening I gave up watching the match as I was bored and sick and tired of the referee shouting or screeching more like a girl, then the mates attitude with players, telling players well done with a tackle, same with get onside, penalise them, but holding down and now playing for penalties makes the game look a farce, when players often go for the penalty and the tacklers are off them?

For too long we have called RU kick and clap, but we are getting even worse than they were.

Terrible idea. The game would become a mess

Expand please - you suggest its not a mess now ?

If you allowed ball steals with more than one defender in the tackle the game would become a farce. Teams would kick out of their own half for territory regardless of the tackle count, players would focus on protecting the ball and finding the floor rather than fighting for metres, every other tackle would end with players with their arms round the ball trying to claim possession; forcing the referee having to determine who has possession and whether the ball was stolen before/after the tackle was complete. The game has its flaws but what you are suggesting would be totally unwatchable.

It wasn't unwatchable when ball stealing was allowed with more than one player in the tackle in the past. It was much better. None of your downsides ever occurred. The current rule penalises defenders when the fault often lies with the attacking player for carrying the ball loosely. We see this a lot where players even try to milk penalties or the ref awards one when in fact the attacker just dropped the ball.

If it was just a just a question of refs expecting ball-carriers to take more responsibility for ball security, and calling more 'loose carries', I think most fans would support you in that. I fear what's being suggested would lead to an awful union-style mess, though.