My 2p as a non-Wigan follower is that you are never going to get the old Tomkins back. Those saying "we'll see when he's fully fit" are ignoring the fact that he hasn't really been "fully" fit for YEARS - since before he went to the NRL. And the edge of pace he's lost he's never going to get back.

But his defence has actually improved from being in the NRL and he's still a really smart player in terms of reading the game in traffic, has an excellent range of passing, decent kicking game, enough pace to finish off if not start a break etc. In fact he has exactly the right the skill set for a halfback. He might not be the superstar he looked like being a while ago, but he'd be an upgrade on Matty Smith, and even as a non-Wigan fan I wish you'd play Williams and Tomkins together at 6 and 7 for England's sake. I suppose having Leuluai and McIlorum back to guarddog them in the defensive line will help, but is there any reason why not?

I hope that we havn't been conned by NZ Warriors and that Sam has a great 2017 season

But If we have been conned then we have lost the "Big transfer fee" we paid to get Sam back, That would be sheer negligence from our club as that money could have been utilised to bring in a marquee signing

Did Sam actually pass a medical prior to us re signing him?

If he didn't, the club have been extremely naive to say the least. As has been said, he was running the line quite well in his first few games back after his injury. Since then, he seems to be holding back and playing well within his capabilities.

To me, there are three possibilities. Firstly, he's being over cautious but with rest and a good pre season, he'll be back to something like next year. Secondly, he's carrying a knock but, again, he'll be much improved come next February. Thirdly, he's suffered from the injury and this is as good as it will get.

It all seems a little strange. I sincerely hope it's possibilities one, and/or two. If it's three, we've been duped and are going to appear rather stupid.

I thought I read or heard that his injury had been misdiagnosed in NZ?
I just hope he can make something near to a full recovery.

My fear with Tomkins which I stated before he'd played this year, was that he was coming back into a much worse team than he left. He had players to act as a foil. It's too easy to target him currently as very few players in our team offer any genuine threat. What is happening with is what I hoped wouldn't, he's targeted and nullified, because it's easy as the rest of the team offer nothing to occupy defenders.

How can England have a guy at full back who can't take in the first carry from a kick down field? He constantly looks for one of his wingers to take the ball from him, which buys the defence another 10 metres. I think his injury is severely hampering his performance and he looks a very frustrated player because of it. Shaul or Lomax should be at 1 for England before Tomkins on this seasons form.

I was told at the start of the year that his injury was that bad he'd be lucky to play again, something about having pioneering surgery to repair/replace damaged ligaments, he had nothing left. With such a serious condition it's a miracle he's back on the field, but would explain the drop in his performances, the change in his tactics, the frustration and constant moaning at referees, and his loss of pace and agility. If that is the case, he's not likely to get those back with one pre season. We have seen with Walsh and Lomax what it takes to come back from horrendous injuries, Walsh especially was a shadow of the player he was before for the best part of a season and a half.