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| Quote: Saint #1 "I'm not sure this is true, I think some of the best coaches i.e. Wayne Bennett gives his players a fair degree of flexibility to play what they see. Even Melbourne Storm have got a lot more freedom in their attack this year.
All teams play with structure but the problem with your attack is you've not changed how you play at all in the last 5 years. Difference being back when Maguire implemented it you had the likes of Hock, Joel Tomkins (before union ruined him) and Hoffman as the lead runner with a really pacey Sam Tomkins out the back who could beat players on the outside. Now your attack has a lead runner that isn't as dangerous, so doesn't attract as many defenders, and a Tomkins less capable of exploiting that space himself. All teams have to do is sit on their heels, don't over-commit and then make the tackle when it reaches your centre.
The reason you the grubber so much is it's an inevitable consequence of getting to 3rd man in from the wing and seeing you have nothing else on because none of the defenders have committed. Given neither of your kickers are brilliant with the boot either, grubbers have a much bigger margin for error than crossfield kicks.'"
I respect your posts because on many occassion you state something that I hadn't thought of and you give detailed and logical rationale however, on this occassion we will have to disagree.
I notice you don't mention one SL coach. For me the game is suffocating due to coaches like SW, KC, Powell et al. The only SL coach who I think lets players play what they see is Smith at Wire.
This type of coaching goes in cycles we need a new coach or two to break this ponderous and pontificating approach to what is really a simple game.
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| Quote: Cruncher "We don't even execute our grubber kicks well. The vast majority go straight out of play.
It's not known as 'the Hail Mary ball' for nothing ... at best it gives you a 50% chance of scoring. But our halves can't even manage that.
Very frustrating to see possession near the line kicked away so often and so casually.'"
I can't understand why occasionally we don't take a tackle on the 6th especially if it's on the opponents line.
To be fair it's the only time our wingers actually have a decent chance of getting the ball so if we did stop kicking to the corner Manfredi and Charnley will get even less opportunities.
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| Surely, what virtually every team does, whether in SL or the NRL, is vary their 5th tackle options: the grubber kick to the corner for the winger, the grubber kick under the sticks (either for a runner to score or force a repeat set), the high kick to the corner, the power play...
Mystifyingly, we don't seem to do that.
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| Quote: moto748 "Surely, what virtually every team does, whether in SL or the NRL, is vary their 5th tackle options
We need Gels back, he's the only one that actually tries something different, and plenty of times it comes off.
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| We do indeed, and good on him!
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| Quote: moto748 "Surely, what virtually every team does, whether in SL or the NRL, is vary their 5th tackle options
This is a good point. We always put in a ball with the intention of scoring even if there is nothing on. We should be putting kicks in which mean 'at best' we score or get a repeat set and 'at worst' the defending player gets the ball a yard in from his own line.
Our kicks from half way to restart the game NEVER trouble anyone!! They go to the same position 5-6 times a game. We're just not exciting to watch, no wonder our average attendances has reduced from 16k to just over 12k.
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