How many on here would have had the same high opinion of Leuluai if he had chosen St Helens to milk a few quid out of them before he retires?

Cheers for that

Bookmarked until further notice.

I didn't say it was an achievement. I'm merely mocking the notion that we're a team of pups. The evidence so far is that we aren't.

Hard to win a cup final when the finals haven't been played yet.

Yes it is, it's a lot better than being out of the CC and in the same place as Leeds. OK, it's not a shiny cup but it's a result of winning games.

Why belittle where the team are?

Please show me where I have belittled the team?

I have said, quite rightly, that where we are at the moment should not be seen as a success. We have been to the GF in the last two seasons, and not won either. Now is not the time to think how well we have done to be where we are, but to refocus and understand that come the end of the season people will only remember the winners.

They are obviously in the best possible place that they can be, which is a positive. It gives us the best possible chance to attack this last part of the season, but unfortunately, our sport is set up in a way that the first 95% of the race is about not being knocked out (like Leeds have been). With only the last 5% about actually winning the thing!