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| Quote nohalfbacks="nohalfbacks"Except it WAS a dodgy try and I am a Wigan supporter! It was only given because of the stupid rule which clearly needs changing. Had that been in a final against Saints and the decision went in favour of Saints to win the game you would be saying it was not a try!
The Ryan Hall fingertip no-try against the Aussies was more of a try than Manfredi's and that wasn't given. The key difference was that the on-field ref did not give a try in that case and the VR could not find enough evidence to give it.'"
Well said, i'm glad someone else is reading from the same page, its like pulling teeth with some folk on here  |
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| Quote nohalfbacks="nohalfbacks"Except it WAS a dodgy try and I am a Wigan supporter! It was only given because of the stupid rule which clearly needs changing. Had that been in a final against Saints and the decision went in favour of Saints to win the game you would be saying it was not a try!
The Ryan Hall fingertip no-try against the Aussies was more of a try than Manfredi's and that wasn't given. The key difference was that the on-field ref did not give a try in that case and the VR could not find enough evidence to give it.'"
Clearly you have a special definition of the word dodgy. It was a try in accordance with the rules. Whether you brush your finger on it or slap your hand on it it's still worth 4 points. Lucky, yes. Dodgy, no. |
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| Quote nohalfbacks="nohalfbacks"No you miss the point. With the current rule the VR has to find conclusive evidence to overrule the on-field decision. It doesn't need a third ref at all. I am just saying that in some cases, rather than forcing the ref to guess when he really doesn't know, is wrong because it then biases the VR call.'"
How exactly? It's a simple majority rule, if more than 50% vote one way or the other the prevailing view holds. The VR have to be sure, through the evidence one way or another. |
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| Quote goobervision="goobervision"How exactly? It's a simple majority rule, if more than 50% vote one way or the other the prevailing view holds. The VR have to be sure, through the evidence one way or another.'"
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| Quote TheElectricGlidingWarrior="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"Clearly you have a special definition of the word dodgy. It was a try in accordance with the rules. Whether you brush your finger on it or slap your hand on it it's still worth 4 points. Lucky, yes. Dodgy, no.'"
If you had read my previous post you would see that I had acknowledged that it was a try under the rules. That is not the issue. The issue is that there was absolutely no conclusive proof that he had touched the ball with his finger or any other part of his anatomy that mattered. The VR said so. Had that decision been against Wigan would you have been happy with the outcome? |
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None of which explains why the same system (more or less) seems to work pretty well in the NRL. but often seems to throw up these poor calls here.
I suppose the key is that this guff about "conclusive proof to overturn the on-field decision" does (or should that be ;should'?) have some wiggle room in it. After all, the VR is nearly always in the best position to judge, with slo-mos and multiple camera angles, compared to the ref's one quick look in real-time.
The ref has sent it upstairs cos he isn't sure. I don't see why the VR's decision should be hobbled by what the on-field official thought *might* have happened.
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| Quote moto748="moto748"None of which explains why the same system (more or less) seems to work pretty well in the NRL. but often seems to throw up these poor calls here.
I suppose the key is that this guff about "conclusive proof to overturn the on-field decision" does (or should that be ;should'?) have some wiggle room in it. After all, the VR is nearly always in the best position to judge, with slo-mos and multiple camera angles, compared to the ref's one quick look in real-time.
The ref has sent it upstairs cos he isn't sure. I don't see why the VR's decision should be hobbled by what the on-field official thought *might* have happened.'"
It doesn't work any better in Australia. Remember the Ryan Hall finger tip no try decision! |
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| Quote nohalfbacks="nohalfbacks"If you had read my previous post you would see that I had acknowledged that it was a try under the rules. That is not the issue. The issue is that there was absolutely no conclusive proof that he had touched the ball with his finger or any other part of his anatomy that mattered. The VR said so. Had that decision been against Wigan would you have been happy with the outcome?'"
Have you watched the replay? The ball deviates as Manfredi's hand slides past it. Either it's a magic ball which moved by itself or he touched it. On first viewing I would have accepted that he probably missed it and that we were awarded the try based on a technicality of Hicks being unable to overturn the ref's decision with conclusive proof, but having watched the replay I just don't see how anyone can argue that he didn't touch it, however lightly, and scored a legitimate try. |
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| Quote TheElectricGlidingWarrior="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"Have you watched the replay? The ball deviates as Manfredi's hand slides past it. Either it's a magic ball which moved by itself or he touched it. On first viewing I would have accepted that he probably missed it and that we were awarded the try based on a technicality of Hicks being unable to overturn the ref's decision with conclusive proof, but having watched the replay I just don't see how anyone can argue that he didn't touch it, however lightly, and scored a legitimate try.'"
No I didn't even watch the game or the replays. I just made it up! The VR said there was no proof he touched the ball but I suppose you know better. |
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| Quote TheElectricGlidingWarrior="TheElectricGlidingWarrior"Have you watched the replay? The ball deviates as Manfredi's hand slides past it. Either it's a magic ball which moved by itself or he touched it. On first viewing I would have accepted that he probably missed it and that we were awarded the try based on a technicality of Hicks being unable to overturn the ref's decision with conclusive proof, but having watched the replay I just don't see how anyone can argue that he didn't touch it, however lightly, and scored a legitimate try.'"
So it's not just me then!! I saw it as a try and I too can categorically see the ball change direction. That said, I can't see him touch it which is what Mr Hicks said. The ref must have thought he touched it because he awarded the try. We won, we move on! |
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Quote nohalfbacks="nohalfbacks"No I didn't even watch the game or the replays. I just made it up! The VR said there was no proof he touched the ball but I suppose you know better.'"
The ball changed direction. If you deny that you're heading into the realm of arguing black is white.
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The ball changed direction. If you deny that you're heading into the realm of arguing black is white.
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