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Smith needs to step up and take control and not go missing Wigan need a leader not someone who is playing hide and seek. The only reason he has ever been an international is because he wears a Wigan shirt now it's time he started playing like a Wigan player

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For instance
SW has this image of being Angry, tough, etc. whereas Madge had the image of being Cool and calm.

The truth from what I'm told by people (More than 1) from inside the dressing room is somewhere in-between and in truth it was Maguire that got Angry/intense more than Wane does.



I have met SW socially a few times (as i am sure many have) and have always found him a very approachable and down to earth man. Always got time for the fans and want's to know your views on how things are going.

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Quote: Cherry_Warrior "Itchy and Juke i agree with you both on points raised but at this stage, we are top of the league, and i suppose it's all a bit relative.

Itchy i agree and have always been an advocate of having a utility player on the bench, similar to what Wire do with Ratchford when they have a full strength side. I also agree Isa hasn't pulled any trees up but his endeavour holds him in good stead. However endeavour doesn't win you games, having a utility player such as him in the squad can only be a good thing. We also have the nice selection problem of what happens if we have a full strength side. We have 3 SL class second rowers in Farrell, Bateman and Tomkins. We also could put Bateman at 13 in the absence of Lockers (but he might not be injured again) We have people who can do the centre spots. My personal opinion is that it should be Gelling and Gildart but will probably be Gelling and Sarginson but then we have J.Tomkins, Bateman and Isa who can fill in here. It's a nice selection headache when fully fit. I think Isa would be better as an impact player who can cover a few positions rather than a starting spot and we also have Gregson who is obviously wet behind the ears but has huge potential, Higginson can only get better, Let's be fair he was good at going forward but got caught out of position a lot, Similar to Gildart last season, but games can only improve that.

Juke i agree that you was alluding to. Have we played 2010 vintage? no of course not but we are doing enough at this stage. We are always late bloomers and to be in the position we are now has to be a bonus and with Sam's imminent return it is going to strike fear into the opposition and they won't know if we are coming or going. We will have the pacey Williams running things from 6. We will have the mellowed Smith having a lot more time to make decisions at 7 and we will have an (hopefully) full of beans Sam back at 1. There isn't one team in the league that will want to face that. It will be like Jeckyll & Hyde all going in the same direction and a puzzle for other coaches to suss out. I think we are in a good position and it will only get better. Matty Smith has been disappointing on the whole since he signed but he could well end up being one of the most influential players we have signed. I believe it so but only time will tell to see if i am right or not.'"

I don't really go with the "impact" player. I can count on one hand the number of players who really do make an impact on a regular coming off the bench. I want my starting 13 to be my best 13 players and ideally baring injuries I want them all to play 80 minutes.
My biggest criticism of our set up is that we do nothing different and have nothing differnt on the bench when things don't "go to plan". It drives me mad when we kick high to the wings on the last tackle on virtually every occassion even when we have the shortest winger in comp playing.
By the way for entertainment the 2012 season takes some beating and for me was better than 2010.

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Quote: Geoff "When everyon's fit, (ie last season) he pretty much always played Powell on the bench, who is really a half back despite having to cover hooker a lot.'"

Powell is on the bench because MM is seemingly incapable of playing 80 minutes
I can't recall one instance where Powell has ever replaced Smith or Williams.

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Quote: Itchy Arsenal "I don't really go with the "impact" player. I can count on one hand the number of players who really do make an impact on a regular coming off the bench. I want my starting 13 to be my best 13 players and ideally baring injuries I want them all to play 80 minutes.
My biggest criticism of our set up is that we do nothing different and have nothing differnt on the bench when things don't "go to plan". It drives me mad when we kick high to the wings on the last tackle on virtually every occassion even when we have the shortest winger in comp playing.
By the way for entertainment the 2012 season takes some beating and for me was better than 2010.'"


I agree with your points again bar 1. I think Tony Clubb is the best impact player in the league. You could leave on a postcard what he doesn't give on the pitch.

Agreed with the kicking to the corners however thats what every team does. We saw last night that brilliant kick from Brough with the outstep down the centre with the game tied and nearly won the game for them. I think it depends on your wingers and centres. We know that Gelling and Manfredi will win half as many as they lose but down on the left side teams know that on a kick the ball isn't going that way. Would be nice to see a Mantelato on the left and have the opposition guessing on every kick but every side kicks to their best side. (see Joel Monaghan) Usually when it goes to the right we have Gells or Dom but if it is flicked back we have a warrior like Bateman following it up.

Also you are correct on the 2012 squad. I got mixed up. Brett Finch that season was so far ahead of everybody else in the league it stuck out like a sore thumb. I really do believe that year we could have challenged for the NRL never mind SL.

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Some very good points made here. As to our 'predictable' style of play,I said the other day that I've often seen NRL sides (the Roosters in particular) making the same plays, and being successful, but it depends on good execution, with passes hitting the bread-basket and no-one having to pause or reach behind them for the ball. This what we are currently failing at, and Smith has to take some of the blame for that. Wane showed faith with Williams at a time when many were saying, oh, he's not as good as Hampshire. But by the end of the season Williams had settled so well that he'd forced his way into the England side! I agree that kicking to Tierney, up against two big defenders, is hopeless. Again, with Gildart, Wane has shown faith in a young, skillful player, who continues to improve. He had a tough night against the powerful Cudjoe, but did pretty well, I thought, after a shakey start. Gregson too, has shown he has something about him, and is one of the future.

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