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Quote: fez1 "Don't know much about Waterworth.
Can anyone enlighten me?

Is Joe Bretherton related to Liam Bretherton who was on Wires books for sometime?'"


I thought he looked promising in the Wigan V Leigh pre season - been injured since i think till now?

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Quote: DaveO "The fact they had a weak team out or Wane made some rather odd selections (weird bench IMO) is all by the by. '"


I thought it made sense: try and rest Sarginson and Powell for Friday, but have them ready to come in if we were struggling, which turned out to be the case. He gets criticised for not having a "plan B", IMO that worked perfectly as such.

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Quote: ChrisA "The way I see it, we are the best of a bad bunch and SL in general appears to be suffering with a real lack of excitement and talent. Does the fact we are better than the rest of the dross make us good? Not really is my answer.

The fact some people aren't happy clappers and look at more than results doesn't make them wrong. Maybe it's just a different viewpoint of the same situation? You are happily satisfied with where we are, I am not. No right or wrong, just a different view.'"


We can only beat what's in front of us. The league may be as weak as it's been in a while but it's all relative and we're not exactly throwing our best side at team's each week.

We always start seasons slowly but usually when we do that it's with a pretty much full team. We've really suffered with injuries to key men this year. Most clubs have injuries but ours have been to our best players in the main and our pivots and the team has been totally disrupted as a result. Yes we've not been perfect and I'm the first to admit it's dull but we've still churned out the wins and I take that as a massive positive. If we can get close to a full team out on the field at some point with our 1,6,7,9 and 13 as strong as it can be and we can get a run of games together with those players playing we'll soon start to put on bigger scores and play more entertaining rugby.

As for 'happy clappers' it isn't that at all. It's an appreciation that we've had to really grind results out and at times we've had to do it in a pretty dull way but we've done it. As pointed out I believe we've got as much if not more improvment in us then any other team and that's both from a personel point of view and from a playing style point of view.

The club is in fine shape.

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Quote: DaveO "Sarge a big game player? It's the exact opposite in my view. When he is up against good opposition is when he looks like he doesn't know what he is doing. Prior to the HKR game he lead the way in the entire SL in errors made (17, next highest in our club was Gelling with 10 to put this in some perspective) and that fits in with a lot of peoples perceptions of him as a mistake ridden player.

I don't think we will notice when he leaves and when Sam is fit where is he going to play anyway? Replace Gildart who already looks better than Sarge at centre?

As to the HKR game itself it's a case of job done after a tough weekend. The fact they had a weak team out or Wane made some rather odd selections (weird bench IMO) is all by the by. Two games in four days is nuts and no basis to judge anything. We should just be glad we got the points.'"


He didn't do too badly on Good Friday in our biggest game of the season, he was excellent in the Grand Final of 2014 in a losing cause, he was sensational in an England vs Australia test match in Melbourne and so on.

He switches on for the big games IMO and has done very well in some very big games. He's blooming at full back and we missed him when he didn't start last night.

It's all opinions but I rate him and believe he'll step up to the plate in the NRL.

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Quote: ChrisA "I do hope you're right I really do. But I've stated previous that my observations stretch back to the end of last season also. Even when the ball sticks and we complete our sets, if one of few set moves doesn't work we look clueless. Will the return of a few players fix issues that were there last season? I hope so and I hope all the ones saying this are correct, because trust me I don't enjoy feeling this underwhelmed by what I've seen over the last year.

I know Cruncher and Co seem to be content, and I'm glad for them, however I look past the results and look for improvement, we haven't improved, from the start of last season, I think we have gone backwards and that view seems to offend people on here for some reason, like an opinion is a crime.'"


I've gone on record this season as saying that I don't think everything in the Wigan garden is rosy. I have doubts about Matty's ability (sadly, because he's a nice guy), I have concerns about both Sarge and Josh (playing well now - all of a sudden - because they are looking to leave maybe?), I wonder if we could and should fight a bit harder to try and keep players from going to the NRL (and certainly from going to Union) and I don't feel we've recruited enough experience and/or star quality in recent years (as much as such a thing is possible in the age of the Salary Cap). I've said all that before, and my views on these haven't changed.

But to call people 'happy clappers' because they are applauding what the team has so far achieved in 2016 (especially over the toughest weekend of the year, Easter) is the kind of casually scornful mentality that pervades the other online forum and makes it such an unpleasant place to be.

It's a bit rich complaining that being critical of the club is apparently 'a crime', when so many in your camp are so remarkably quick to call those who disagree with them happy clappers.

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Fair enough, I retract my earlier comment. I still stand by all my observations and opinion though.

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