The truth of the matter is that we have been rumbled. Our defence can be OK for short periods, but we don't have the discipline to stick to the plan for extended periods.

Going forward, we have no problem getting into the oppositions 20, but very little clue as to what to do when we get there.

Most worrying of all is our execution. The Aussies may be bigger, stronger and faster, and their environment may very well play a large role in that, but does it also mean that they can catch better? Every time Wigan forced a pass it went down, Brisbane picked them up, and scored.

I have always been a supporter of Shaun Wane, but the lack of progression in the last two years is beginning to highlight the guy's limitations.

I agree with this. Take James Roby out of Saints and they are not half the team. Put him back in and they compete. Take Sam and Joel Tomkins plus Josh Charnley and Micky Mac out of Wigan and we only have kids and journeymen in reserve. Leeds have been decimated by injury, aside from losing JP and Sinfield, take Briscoe, McGuire, Ward, JJB & Ablett out and that's a lot to cover, especially as the Cowboys were at full strength.

Everything that could go wrong did go wrong. Even our newly relaid pitch took out the mudbath equaliser from last year, when the conditions worked in our favour. (And fair play the Broncos were a delight to watch last Saturday - they gave us a real lesson)

I don't think it will get any worse for Super League teams. Plus, Warrington competed well last year and on current form they probably would have done better than Saints or us. I also agree that outside of those four we wouldn't get the crowds or the quality to compete.

We should start by ditching 2 teams from Super League. There just isn't the breadth of talent to create the same level of intensity week in, week out...

Agreed. If we want to improve we have to take hard decisions and it the number of clubs in the top flight. Less volume, more quality. Less easy games, better depth of squads.

That's the way to improve standards and increase competition, not a low salary cap across too many teams.

I'm not sure how reducing the number of teams makes the game better, maybe we just drop it down to two teams as they will be the best teams ever.

The bigger the gene pool the better the chance of finding superstars. The more teams trying different methods the more chance of a better system emerging.

As for all this "we were found out", the Aussie centres are as big as our props. Their execution is better all around. It's not a case of being found out and so on, it's simply a case the the Australian teams are better, drop Wigan back into SL with the team the started and wins happen.

Maybe the ideal would be a year long 3 leagues of 8, play each other home and away twice (28 games) then the top four play off and the bottom of the top leagued plays the top of the middle league, winner in the top league next year
It would mean higher intensity games week in week out, the big difference between SL and Nrl teams is they they are used to being in a grind and are able to absorb huge amounts of pressure and then switch straight to attack once they have an opportunity