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Quote: post "Part of me thinks we had a good team in 97 but most teams got hammered off the Aussie teams, also the great Saints sides of the early 2000s won against Brisbane but got dispatched against Roosters in 2003.

I do think in years gone by most SL teams were better/stronger and now most teams seem a shadow of their former selves chocked full of average Joes. When I look at the likes of us in the early 2000s we had a team full of legends and internationals, players like Rads, Carney, Dallas, Connolly, Lam, O'Connor, Newton, Smith, Cassidy, Furner and Farrell with a host of young up and coming lads who went on to achieves decent career either here of elsewhere like Hock, Lockers, Wild, Brown, Robinson etc.

When I look at our team now the only players worthy of getting in that team would be Sam, Micky Mac, Flower, Farrell and future stars like Manfredi and Williams.

You look at Saints and they are bang average across the park other than Roby.

The only way RL will reach those standards again is cold hard cash, you can have the best youth set up, coaches, scouts, etc but money talks, once the hard work has been done and it's time to reap the rewards the players are gone.

For me over the next 1 - 2 years I see most of our decent players going to RU or NRL like Sarginson, Bateman and Gelling. If I was an RU scout I'd be after Manfredi all day long as I think he'll be a superstar in years to come but I think he'd be more suited to fullback, he reminds me of Slater in his kick return.

So there it is, we need cash, how do we get it?

Merchandise? Bums on seats? Sponsorship? Rich owner?

Doesn't the money from Sky cover the cap? If so there should t be much of a holdback, if it comes at the expense of smaller clubs then I'm sorry, sport is capitalist and has to be be otherwise it pushes the sport back. The way I see RL at the minute it's run like the public sector and needs to be privatised so to speak.i don't agree with doing that with business but with sport i do.

There you go, thoughts?'"


My main thought it that I don't disagree with any of this.

My main worry is that the British game overall is in a period of stagnation, but that no one at Red Hall seems to realise this.

Man for man, our top sides are very poor at present.

The question is, will this series highlight that ... or will it be swept under the carpet again because, as you say, it's more important to keep Wakefield in Super League?

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Quote: P-J "That's part of the reason we don't need these games - you don't need to give the Australians much to rub our noses in it.

It's why the 2005 Ashes (and subsequent trouncings) were so sweet.'"


The problem is that we need international competitions to create interest for players.

One of the reasons given for player defections to RU is the bigger international dimension.

I've long thought that the WCC could be something truly different and exciting, which RU could never offer. But 2016 might have seen that ship sunk too.

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It's a strange time for RL in this country. All 3 teams in the World Club Series had big injury problems, so it's hard to come to concrete conclusions (although i still think we'd probably have lost all 3 games). I'd say Leeds and Saints and us to an extent are going through a period of transition too. You've got a salary cap that's too low, but raising it doesn't automatically create great players. You've got a reserve 'league' (if you can call it that) which is an absolute joke.

But on the other hand it's one of the most exciting times to be an England supporter. We've got arguably the best coach in the world and a pack that can compete with the very best. Question marks still hang over our half-backs, but things are looking promising for the 4 nations and World Cup (fingers crossed).

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Quote: Ziggy Stardust "Coaching is the key to it all, we have chubby Wane and Saints have tracky Cunny...and they have Slick Wayne and Cool Trent..different league..just look at the british players that left SL and prospered in AUS....coaching....coaching...coaching..coaching....coaching...etc'"


It was interesting to listen to Wayne Bennetts interview with Eddie Hemmings and how he spoke about being able to tell which superleague coaches are good coaches by the habits their players bring with them in to the England camp. He spoke about him wanting to select players ideally who are being well coached on a weekly basis as a month isn't really long enough to get bad habits out of players systems.

His choice of assistant and other coaches will be interesting but there's one things that's for sure-He knows what he's talking about.

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Quote: Cruncher "The problem is that we need international competitions to create interest for players.

One of the reasons given for player defections to RU is the bigger international dimension.

I've long thought that the WCC could be something truly different and exciting, which RU could never offer. But 2016 might have seen that ship sunk too.'"

Sorry, but you're misguided if you think RU could never offer anything like WCC.

There's ample strength in Union competitions in UK, France, Oz, NZ, South Africa, even Italy and Argentina to host something like WCC, but they simply don't need to as they already have successful and competitive international and pan-continental cup competitions in place.

RL should concentrate on a champions v champions one-off game. Less of the attempts to generate money with this sort of thing - which only results in scorn from the Aussies and any casual viewer tuning in thinking 'What's the point?' and promptly switching off again.

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Quote: WireWool "Sorry, but you're misguided if you think RU could never offer anything like WCC.

There's ample strength in Union competitions in UK, France, Oz, NZ, South Africa, even Italy and Argentina to host something like WCC, but they simply don't need to as they already have successful and competitive international and pan-continental cup competitions in place.

RL should concentrate on a champions v champions one-off game. Less of the attempts to generate money with this sort of thing - which only results in scorn from the Aussies and any casual viewer tuning in thinking 'What's the point?' and promptly switching off again.'"


I doubt RU could put out any club sides who are as tough and skilled as the top boys from the NRL, but ultimatley I agree that it doesn't make much difference as a) we don't sell it properly - I'm sure that no-one outside the RL corridor knew that Brisbane were in town - and b) the NRL only seem to be getting interested at a time when our domestic sport has regressed in standards back to the pre-1980 era. So yes, though they've spent a couple of decades getting spanked by us in the WCC, now they are indeed turning scornful again.

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