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Agree with the comments about these 2. Especially Manfredi. If ever a player gets a start for the final on merit its this mon.

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Quote: MattyB "Not writing Charnley off, however his form this season has been under par. Looked a stone overweight and a million miles away from the player he was only a couple of seasons ago....and he's only 24.

By all means play him, but he needs to know his place in the team is far from assured. That goes for all players, not just him of course.

Charnley didn't warrant his place in the GF, only he can get that form back. He's another 8-10 years of top class rugby in him yet.'"

Burgess' departure could affect Josh by either making him complacent or removing "selection anxiety". The former obviously wouldn't be a good thing but perhaps the latter could. I hope he comes out fighting next season and that the coaching staff do their best to get the most out of him. Imo it isn't just down to the individual, the club needs to know what works best in combining the carrot with the stick. I get the impression SW is more stick than carrot and that won't suit every case.

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Quote: jinkin jimmy "Burgess' departure could affect Josh by either making him complacent or removing "selection anxiety". The former obviously wouldn't be a good thing but perhaps the latter could. I hope he comes out fighting next season and that the coaching staff do their best to get the most out of him. Imo it isn't just down to the individual, the club needs to know what works best in combining the carrot with the stick. I get the impression SW is more stick than carrot and that won't suit every case.'"


Jim, I think the carrot and stick scenario has been the problem with a couple of players this last season.

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Possibly. And yet others (Williams, Bateman, Manfredi) have blossomed.

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Quote: stillinthepast "Jim, I think the carrot and stick scenario has been the problem with a couple of players this last season.'"

Some players need a kick up the backside and others need an arm around the shoulder. As you infer Charnley is probably in the latter mould.
I hope if he stays that he given a chance in the centres as the explosive pace that he had seems to have diminished quite rapidly.

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Quote: MattyB "Just hope Charnley doesn't get a wing spot on default next season. Is there anyone from the Academy likely to be pushing for a spot?'"

Josh has had to contend with a few injuries over the last two years. I think him being out of the England squad will give him a kick up the backside but, most importantly, a complete break from rugby. I'm sure we shall see the "old" Josh back in action next season.

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