Some of them are but I certainly don't think that Joel and Gelling fall into that category. They are both very good players and easily good enough to play big rones in a team looking to win trophies.

Joel especially who gets a hard time (even more so on the other board) is 'a Wigan standard' player. He'd walk into any other team in the league imo.

It's alright then we should accept average standards and players

Fair enough that's your opinion but I think the lot are average and aren't good enough

I don't think many would disagree with that, but thats down to external factors, and one in particular..... MONEY!

If i was an RL player, i would be seriously considering my options. And i might even suggest, that IL is looking to a time when professional RL in this country collapses in on itself. The Wigan brand could leave RL and go to Union, no other SL team could.

I wasn't trying to kickoff so to speak by that statement, it just frustrates me how the game is going, but I guess I should thank the rfl for that